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An Inside Look at Venture Capitalists

Christopher Thomas writes: "IEEE Spectrum has a scathing review of venture capitalists this month. Authors Nick Tredennick and Brion Shimamoto paint a devastatingly cynical picture of venture capitalism from the engineers' perspective." Funny to read, but probably 100% accurate. Wow.

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  1. Definitely right about sheep... by cperciva · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One of the comments made in the article is that VCs are like sheep -- they flock about, and if one invests in electronic basket weavers the rest will.

    I can attest to this from personal experience: I am one of a small group of people to have received the (questionable) pleasure of being cold-called by a VC firm. It didn't matter to them that I was still finishing my BSc in mathematics; all that was important to the VC was that 1. Distributed Computing was hot, and 2. I was responsible for a recent distributed computing project.

    My name is [censored], and I'm with [censored], a traditional VC firm. I saw a press release regarding your recent accomplishment ... What particularly interested me was your use of a distributed computing system. This is an area that has been of interest to us at [censored] and we would like to speak with you ... We are currently investing a $1 Billion fund and our typical investment size is $5 to $15 million.
    Of course, calculating Pi isn't likely to be commercially profitable any time soon; for that matter, distributed computing isn't either. So I wrote back explaining that I had no intention of helping them waste their investor's money on ventures doomed to failure.

    Ever since then I've refered to that day as "the day I refused five million dollars".
    1. Re:Definitely right about sheep... by LionKimbro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They did so because they wanted to cash in on a superstar IPO, even if the value of the company was doomed to drop through the floor soon afterwards.

      ...

      You think the money grows on trees or something? That money represents the fruits of the labor of countless individuals. When it's not spent wisely (on things that people need now or in the future), bad things happen to the economy.

      A feudal lord has a bunch of land, which he bilks peasants into farming. He gets 90% of the yield, and lets the farmers hold onto somewhere up to their 10%. That 10% for the farmers is divided up in such a way as to work the farmers, so that they can strive to improve their lot. Give the best farmer x2 as the weakeast, but divide it all up so that it totals 10%.

      You're right: The VC's money represents the fruits of the labor of countless individuals. You're a sucker (not only have you been ripped off, but made to feel that it is just) if you believe that the VC's are the laborers themselves..! We're still living in medieval times, people just don't know that they're peasants because they aren't being manipulated through force and police action.

      If a bunch of mobsters want to throw a party for everyone, train everyone in computer skills, employ and house them, I say let them. The flow of money from someone who doesn't deserve it to someone who does isn't something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

  2. Engineer incentives by Salamander · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Reducing the engineers' share of the pie is counterproductive, however: they become demoralized; productivity suffers; eventually, they leave.

    To be fair, some VCs do recognize this and do something about it. I have a friend who's been involved in a few startups. Not too long ago he described what had happened in one funding round. BTW, you're practically always involved in some sort of funding-related activity or another, all day every day. If you're a true techie you'll go insane wishing you could sit down and write code again. Anyway, this is basically what the lead VC said:

    You don't have any business, so that's not your value to us. Your IP isn't that valuable either. [Ow, harsh.] What's valuable to us is the talent you represent, and if your people's share gets too low we know you'll start to defect. That share is already below our standard, so we will not participate in the next round unless in the process we can bring the founders' share back up to that standard.

    What ended up happening is that some of the previous-round investors saw their share reduced so the founders' share could be increased. I'm sure they didn't like that much, but I'm also sure that if it was presented as a choice between that and losing the lead investor (with nobody else ready to step in) they would have gone along. Losing the lead investor like that at that point in time would basically have meant that the company had zero prospects of survival (in fact it did not survive).

    The upshot is that a "vulture capitalist" really - for once - did try to do the right thing by the founders, and even leaned on other investors to make the right things happen. They're not evil people. They're ambitious, they're greedy, they're often ruthless, they almost always have goals that are at odds with techies' goals, but they do have honor.

    I wish I could name the east-coast VC company involved, because I like to see good behavior rewarded. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe doing so. One character trait they hold very dear is "discretion"; it's not very discreet to tell stories like this one in a place like slashdot, and I might want to do business with them myself someday. ;-)

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  3. Most startups don't need venture capital by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm convinced that most startups don't need venture captial. What they do need is a core crew of engineers and (later on) a skeleton crew of support staff (ie, people who will find paying customers) who are willing and able to take equity instead of cash until paying customers are found. When and if those paying customers are found, profits not reinvested in the company are paid out as dividends to the shareholders. Add angel investment into the mix as appropriate. Don't even consider going public (not worth the overhead and distraction, especially now that the IPO bubble has gone kaboom), but if the stockholders (mostly engineers, if you've managed to do this right) want to sell out to a Big Company that offers the appropriate pile of lucre, that works too. (A local crew did this, selling out to Cisco for $millions. Neat trick.)

    Benefits:
    1) Paying out cash to employees is inefficient, since the marginal tax rate in America is roughly 50% (28% Federal income + 12.4% SocSec + 2.9% Mediscare + the state income tax that pays for the roads/schools/fire/police that people actually use). This is known as "soaking the rich", aka slavery, aka how the Democratic Party has adapted from the pre-Civil-War era to the Information Age. Equity doesn't get taxed until it's sold, and the long term capital gains tax is 20%. Which is why the 1993 Federal income tax hike didn't kill the economy, people just switched to financing with stock instead of cash, which had the unfortunate side effect of making it easy to fund things like pets.com.

    2) Very little corporate overhead, very simple. Minimizes contacts with lawyers, accountants, and other such creatures that add friction to the economy.

    Problems:
    1) The U.S. Federal Tax Code is rigged to royally screw companies that pay out dividends. Corporate profits are taxed once as income, and the stockholders are taxed again on what's left of that income when they receive their dividends at the stockholders Federal income tax rate. So $1,000 in gross profits becomes $650 in net profits becomes ~$450. Possible workaround: profit-sharing checks for the employees, but that doesn't help angel investors if you have them. Killing the double taxation of dividends would make more sense but it would never get through the Senate.

    2) Surviving on little to no income while the company gets off the ground. Even without dependents, just paying for housing is a bitch, and geeks tend to congregate in territories with the looniest real estate valuations. (In the Midwest, that means my home city of Ann Arbor, Michigan, home of the University of Michigan, with housing valuations second only to Chicago.) The reason valuations are so high is that the Federal Mortgage Interest Deduction encourages real estate inflation, and the average voter is too stupid to realize that giving up their precious deductions (aka social engineering) and switching to the Flat Income Tax plan would leave them at least as well off. Local zoning regs that make high-density development impossible do the rest (thus why we have yuppie lofts in renovated decrepit downtown buildings renting for $big bucks rather than highrises).

    3) Stock is much riskier than cash for workers. Nice upside when it works, though.

    4) This doesn't work for companies with heavy capital expenses. Fortunately, many/most geek companies don't fall into this category.

    Fair warning: IANA(lawyer | accountant), just a geek who follows finance and politics enough to be dangerous.