Microsoft vs. Ximian

Kappelmeister writes "The open source movement gets some great mainstream press today as the Washington Post reports tht Ximian's Volunteer 'Army' Fights Microsoft on Open-Source Code. It mentions Linux progress in the server market, Shared Source, and how both sides are courting Mexican President Vincente Fox for use in his 'eMexico' initiative to get 98 percent of the population online. Best of all, though, it tells a lot of people that there is a decent alternative to Microsoft software."

Comments

Bad and good.

[shaka]

Firstly, I would like to state that I think it's great to see this kind of articles in the mainstream press, as it shows people that there are alternatives, and the only thing they hear about open source and free software is the FUD that MS is spreading.

That said, I come to the bad side. I'm pretty tired of reading all of this mumbo-jumbo about open source as business, or as a threat to business, or whatever. I can understand why journalists like to write about it, and I think that parts of the open source community is responsible for this too.

But still - face it: Open source and free software is hobbyists writing code for their own well-being, because they (we) think it's fun, and/or because we need the software, and feels good about letting other people use and change said software too.

By doing this, you have no strings attached. All the companies in the world - and the journalists - can say and write whatever they want, but the fact is that nobody has to care.
Stop talking business all the time. The programmers don't care about business. We care about code.

Re:Bad and good.

[Khazunga]

But still - face it: Open source and free software is hobbyists writing code for their own well-being, because they (we) think it's fun, and/or because we need the software, and feels good about letting other people use and change said software too.

Untrue. Or at least, incomplete. While there certainly are many hobbyists writing code in their spare time, a quick glance at major open-source projects will find commercial company support.

Open-source allows for small companies to enter fields held by large corporations up until now. Open source development lowers the software entry barrier, for corporations as well as individuals.

Example: Imagine a small company who realizes they need to develop a J2EE application server because of an esoteric requirement. Before open source, the cost would be prohibitive. Nowadays, they'll probably join some project like JBoss, and add the features they particularly need.

Companies also have itches, and also scratch them.

Re:Bad and good.

[Raphael]

Most (but not all) Open Source and Free Software programmers are writing code for fun, or for various other reasons that are not directly business-related.

But some of them are employed by RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and other distributions, or by companies like VA Linux or Ximian and they do care for the business side of things. They are the ones who make sure that all pieces of the GNU/Linux/X puzzle fit together and that all applications can be used by the "average user".

Linux vs Microsoft and vice versa

[TangoCharlie]

I think the Gnome people have got the right idea. But, I'm not sure they're there yet. It is important to focus on the HCI. Apple did just that. The result a superior user experience which has generated fanatical support from its users (OTOH Apple has made many many mistakes which is why Apple Macintosh is a niche market). By focusing on the user interface, the Gnome people counter the biggest single critisism of Linux: usability. In a rather different market, the embedded market (where Linux has already made a significant impact), Microsoft, I see have released thier 2nd beta preview of Windows XP Embedded code named Talisker. See the article in PC World. (Talisker as you may or may not know, is a town on the Isle of Skye, Scotland, famous for its rather distinctive whisky.)

decent alternative

[Proud Geek]

I'd feel much better about this whole thing if Linux actually were a decent alternative to a M$ Windows desktop. There are certainly places for Linux in a program like this, particularly in the infrastructure. Unfortunately I feel like I'm pushing substandard goods as a Free software advocate in cases like this.

I know Richard Stallman says we should always use Free software because it is a morally superior thing to do. However I worry about the future when we are using technology that is inferior, just because it may save a bit of money. There are a lot of people counting on this initiative!

Re:decent alternative

[bockman]

To declare Linux as a decent alternative or not, you need to know for what its usage is proposed.

From the little written in the article, this Mexican government plan is to enable most of mexicans to 'be on line'.
Now, you possibly don't need neither MS office nor Outlook for this. You need an user-friendly desktop, a good browser (plugins are not a must, especially if average bandwidth will not allow to enjoy them), an easy to use (and virus-resistant) e-mailer, non-sofisticated graphic and editing programs.

Now, my assessment(YMMV) is that a Linux desktop satisfies a 95% of these requirements (improvements may be needed on desktop usability and web browser ).

A strong issue for Linux in non-US government, apart from cost issue, is that with open-source most of the money spent on software stays in-country : they could even pay some local developer and sysadmin to build an ad-hoc distribution, if they don't like the available ones.

If they listen to ximian, I hope that also non-ximian software get a chance to be used, however.

Re:decent alternative

[ichimunki]

I dunno. Somehow *I* made it through school when all we had was PETs and Apple IIs. The school itself ran a lot of stuff through a mainframe (that I don't think had a single MS product on it). The quality of education here in Minnesota has NOT improved considerably with the advent of iMac filled labs and school offices running MS Windows and Office.

In fact, not more than a couple of years ago, with all this mandatory testing crap, there was a big hoohah because the computers involved screwed up the scoring!

The solution? Keep it simple. Don't change stuff that ain't broken. Implement change slowly and deliberately-- not because some Silicon Valley Marketeer dazzled you with a totally contrived demo. Every cent that is wasted on expensive technology is money that couldn't be used to hire competent teachers-- and teaching children is a LOT more than guiding them through point and click exercises on some candy colored computer.

IBM's Involvement

[Eloquence]

And International Business Machines Corp. pledged $1 million to help research and develop the free Linux operating system, an alternative to Microsoft Windows.

Um, wow, $1 million, I guess that shows they really care about Linux. Fortunately, it's really $1 billion :-)

A decent alternative!

[mcrbids]

Boy, stuff like this just makes me laugh. Have you actually USED KDE 2.x?

As a desktop, it BLOWS WINDOWS AWAY...

Multiple simultaneous desktops, multiple simultaneous users. Configuring menus in KDE is every bit as easy as configuring the Start menu in Windows. User customizable panel menus (like the start button, 'cept you can have more than one)

Move programs between desktops with two clicks. (right click -> move to -> desktop X) Lots of games.

Lots of other nice touches, such as "highlight an URL in ANY program. You immediately get the option to open it in your browser of choice."

Kmail is super easy to use and supports any number of e-mail accounts, and has an excellent filtering system. Address book support, etc.

I just migrated an 8-site corporation to Star Office from MS-Office - no complaints; its working great...

It's very stable, running for weeks on end w/o restarting X-Windows. (note: X-Windows, not operating system)

In short, what's not the decent offering?

Sheesh....

Who would you listen to?

[firewort]

"Who would you listen to, the richest man in the world, or just another Mexican?"

Gosh, I think I'd listen to the Mexican. When the richest Man in the world comes talking sweet and selling something, you can be sure it isn't in your best interest, it's in his.