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Your Face Is Not a Bar Code

Phil Agre has a solid essay opposing automatic face recognition systems in public areas. These uses are only going to increase, because the technology is cheap (enough) and appealing to authorities everywhere; it's good to have some arguments to hand for opposing the spread of the cameras.

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  1. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

  2. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

  3. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

  4. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

  5. Re:Pretty shaky arguments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    No no no no no. If you're going to troll, do it properly.

    Ager's core assumption is that liberty is a vital attribute of the individual. Even John Stuart Mill did not go so far. JSM was willing to concede the right of the government to take preventative measures, especially in a society so overcome with crime that entire neighbourhoods resemble a different, much more dangerous nation than the rest of the city they are in.

    Nice start, get in the misinformation as early as possible. Unfortunately, most of the slashbots do know that JSM was completely pro-privacy.

    If you relax for a moment, the belief that individual liberty is a universal right -- an assumption that has by no means been proven fait accompli, you will see that these camera's provide an a priori benefit to society. Criminals cannot wander free in our streets and malls with these around.

    Not bad, but no slashbot will ever consider privacy not being vital. Try for a mid-point there.

    Let's stop and think about the children for a second. I believe that if we as a free society were to register all known pedophiles in a national database with pictures, this system could ipso facto provide massive benefits for the endangered young of our nation.

    Far too obvious. Not a chance anyone will bite that. And paedophiles has an 'a'.

    I can not in good faith oppose pro bono publico a system which almost guarantees safety for my children. I do not trust the mettle of anyone who does not agree with this.

    And that wrecks the whole thing. Never ever end a troll like that.

    Ach, you've really pissed me off now. I'm off to abuse Michael for a while.

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  7. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

  8. michael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are the worst hypocrite of all the Slashdot editors. Why don't you just piss off?

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  10. not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    not 1 minute has passed since i posted this, and it already has been mod'd down to troll. hmmm..either the moderator that did this was lightning quick or one of the editors is monitoring this forum and mod'ing it has he sees fit.

    it wouldn't surprise me, michael you censoring nazi bitch.

  11. Re:censorware.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    how is this a troll?

    this guy is just expressing his opinion about the article.

    moderation system does not work.

  12. Re:As computer geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You're really new to this, aren't you?

  13. This is ALL BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Those of you arguing there's a 'good' use for
    this technology are woefully off the mark.

    This type of intrusive surveillance represents
    the beginning of the electronic prison. With
    cell phones and other mobile devices being
    traceable to within 15', with face recognition
    ubiquitously deployed and automatically compiling
    your actions and movements, with email tracing,
    with open financial/medical/etc. records,
    with on-line/bricks-n-mortar profiling, with
    Echelon, with your DirectTv/CableTv/Tivo
    media monitoring,with automated traffic
    infraction monitoring cameras,
    and on and on and on, the day has arrived when no person
    in the 'modern' world will be safe from the crushing
    tyranny of both the government and the
    business oligarchies.

    "Oh", you say, "what about all those pedophiles,
    drunk drivers, terrorist, etc. that these techniques
    will catch".

    "Oh", I say, "what will you do when you don't
    get a job because your grocery convenience
    card shows you predisposition to beer on Sundays
    or the face recognition tracking software shows
    that you walk by the Adult porn store 3 times
    a week [even if it just happens to be between
    where you work and where you live] or that
    you hung out in the same bar as a known anti-corporate
    group hung out in three years prior or .....".

    There will be no privacy. There will be no innocent
    until proven guilty.

    Instead, there will be an assumption
    that all 'observable' (thus public) behavior is suspect
    and/or criminal.

    There will be a presupposition that somewhere,
    sometime, everyone will make a mistake. A moral mistake,
    an ethical mistake, a criminal mistake.

    And with that mistake you'll be blackmailed, blackballed
    and blackedout.

    I can't believe that this won't crush the human spirit
    (maybe even more than sitting in a gray cubicle for
    35 years!!!).

    Within twenty years, if we let this continue,
    you will be born into the electronic jail,
    work/live/eat/sleep in jail and die in jail.

    Is that worth it? How many 'real' criminals
    do we catch to make it worth it? How long
    is it worth serving time in the electronic jail
    house to get a little sense of security?

    How much of YOUR soul are you willing to
    trade away? How much of MY soul are you
    willing to sacrifice to the electronic
    jail masters?

    For my part, I won't trade any of what little
    freedoms I have left and YOU have left
    for this dystpoia.

    1. Re:This is ALL BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I agree with you. Once on the slippery
      slope, its a quick trip to hell. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  14. Re:Face recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    BULLSHIT!!!! Our safety comes from sociatal taboos and guns.

  15. Someone forgot to put this sign up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Well i had a cool ascii art of YHBT for occasions like this but seems like the new lameness filter is preserving us from evil things like ascii art. Just think a whole generation of artists are being censored by Slashdot. "_~