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Linux Support Services Shoot-out and Analysis
securitas writes: "ZDNet has posted a huge article comparing and analyzing 12 Linux support services. It's 19 pages long plus tables! Happy reading!" Useful stuff, since a lot of companies want to make sure they've got someone to call if things go wrong.
Fuck sand niggers and the lameness filter!
all of them!!
The company I work for does a small amount of work with Linux. As such I am supposed to support it. The training a group of us got was basically - here is Linux, play with it - oh and if a customer has any problems get them to reinstall it. Thye probably know what thye are doing anyway so they won't call you.
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GHOSTBUSTERS!
Stupid lameness filter.
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I am a towelhead and a sand nigger. Fuck America. Fuck you. Fuck mackga. Fuck cyborg_monkey. Fuck evil_spork. Fuck motherfuckin_spork. Fuck trolls. Fuck 'em all. Fuck you. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
I think third party support services for Linux will be hampered by the variation of the various distros out there. Even strong distribution providers like RedHat will have trouble supporting non-pure RH installs. For instance, I always recompile a kernel from source at kernel.org, so that way I have a clean source tree to patch against if I want to apply patches. At that point, I no longer have a pure RedHat system, and RH might balk at supporting a system that I didn't use their kernels, their XFree86 RPMS, their package manager for everything, etc.
Otherwise, it will turn into a mess of finger pointing and unanswerable questions.
User: So I downloaded the latest ISC DHCP tarball and compiled it, and when I try and start DHCP, it fails with something about Netlink.
Tech: Netlink is compiled into our install and update kernels, what is the exact error message?
User: Um, yeah, well, I wanted to try the new USB2.0 stuff, so I downloaded kernel 2.4.17-ac23 and compiled it from source.
Tech: Ah, please hold.(Goes away, gets a coffee, reads Slashdot)
10 minutes later
Tech: Sir, still there? The first thing to do is reinstall our kernel RPM package, rerun LILO, and reboot, and then call us back.
User: %^$#@#*!!!
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
c_m no lub hindu rat-worshipping scum
Just looking over the the table of response times -- for some of these companies, they seem to be missing the big CLUE.
Yes, if something goes wrong at a company they will need support.. in fact that is the only way they would actually use linux as their workstation/network/etc -- but support should probably be replaced with "immediate support." If a network goes down at a Fortune 500 Company JoeBlowDrinksSoda Inc., they arnt going to take the chance of missing productivity for 2,3, even days (as some of the response times are.
For the companies that have immediate response to linux issues --> now these are what we need. Maybe they are more expensive, but if the figurative "bomb" hits your network and you have deadlines, missing a deadline is going to cost more in money and in respect for your company than having to shell out a few extra clams...
this is a time for actions, not your idealpolitik and defeatist attitude
I work for a large multinational tech company, and there has been considerable resistance to Linux because of the support issue. If we install an RS/6000 with AIX, IBM will support the hardware and software issues. Same with Sun hardware and Solaris. But the management is not sure who we would go to if we built some Linux servers and we needed some critical patches. Worse still, if we uncovered a bug in the OS, who would fix it for us, and how long would it take.
This is a start. There are companies out there who will support Linux for corporate accounts. The fact that a fairly mainstream website is posting this sort of information is an aid in getting the PHBs to believe that Linux is supported and ready for the corporate environment.
All we need now, is a fork of Linux that is specifically designed to run on enterprise-class servers and scales to be able to handle the amount of memory and resources that these servers have.
*** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
Jock : "We shoulda' kicked their asses in Vietnam! There'd be a McDonald's in Hanoi square today!"
Other Student : "Duuuude, there is a McDonald's in Hanoi square..."
Hmm, why is it that all these linux stories are using terms like "shoot out" and "call to arms" in the headlines. It's wartime for crying out loud...Linux doesn't mean shit.
Now, I understand feelings and tempers are running pretty high right now, but we must be logical and think about what we are doing here.
First, this article has nothing to do with the Horrid WTC and the Pentagon acts of war that were commited last tuesday against. I understand we lost many lives, I too had friends in the navy and other military that were endangered in that attack. I haven't heard from them yet. So, you see I feel your pain, but, Let's keep the comments out of here and posted to the patriotic stories where they belong. Please refrain from off-topic posts to make the moderators jobs a little easier.
Second, It's nice to see support for linux service growing. I was fortunate enough to have a desire to learn and work with *nix when I began working at my company. Many new-hire co-workers were thrust into it. Luckily later, we were given training books to help us teach ourselves as we went along.
sincerely,
-MFS
Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.
"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.
"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."
Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
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The most common comment I hear when I sugguest a linux solution is that there is no support, therefore once it is broken, it is broken. While this is simply wrong, bug business thinks that tech support people are magicians, who are the only ones that can fix computers (and not only that: THEY FIX IT THROUGH THE PHONE, WHOA). This is a excellent way to show business that they can still get a great operating system real cheap, AND there will be a group that has their backs if something goes wrong.
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Ok so we all know that what happened in this country on Tuesday was a heinous act of cowards and that we should seek them out and bring them to justice. Not all Muslim, Islamic, or Arab people were responsible. We do not even know for sure that it was some one of Islamic background. Remember in this wonderful country of ours we believe all people to be innocent until proven guilty. It appears very likely that some one of Islamic descent is behind these attacks and we as a country will seek vengeance. It is however morally irreprehensible to blame an entire people for the misgivings of a small percentage of the population comprised of extremists. This is the same as calling for the death of all Christians because of the KKK.
Useful stuff, since a lot of companies want to make sure they've got someone to call if things go wrong.
Useful stuff, since a lot of companies want to make sure they've got someone to sue if things go wrong.
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
Could the editors of /. refrain from using terms like "shoot out" or "shoot it out" or something like that? I know you're a bunch of pasty white geeks who'd rather sit and stroke their lunix boxes all day than interact with other human beings, but a little sensitivity can go a long way.
Rock on. PUH!
Puh! +im3 2 g0!
or, if not that, kill yourself.
thank-you, and good-day.
-MFS
we kill many amerikan satanist pigs this week! lets celebrate until the camels fall asleep!
-abdullah
but that didn't stop us from bombing the crap out of the germans!! death to islam!!
that woman left her house without the permission of her husband! let's bury her up to her chest and call the villagers to stone her!!
-ahmed
Well, folks. I think it's safe to say that Geekizoid is officially dead. The admins are either too stupid to set up a Slash site or too lazy to care about it.
I hereby declare this day, Friday, September 14. 2001 a national day of mourning in the name of the tragedy of our lost website.
And to those bastards who have taken her away from us in the prime of her life, you WILL pay. We'll hunt you down and find you. And you will face swift retribution.
just come over to #geekizoid if vlad knows who you are... if not... well you can try guessing the real index file hehehe
This article needs to be updated almost daily to keep up with all of the Linux companies going out of business. Lineo is almost dead, and EBiz just folded. Who's next?
Can we do WITHOUT the "Call to Arms" and "Shoot Outs" regarding Linux for a while? Damn inappropriate.
IBM has paid more in advertising dollars than Microsoft did, so we now get the report that is so badly needed...
Now, where's the same report on Microsoft Support?
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
goatse.cx has removed
the guy from their home page. I can't believe it.!
-???
Go read the license agreements for software you buy. They disclaim any and all responsibility if things go bad. When you buy a piece of commercial software, e.g. MS Office, you get no warranty that it will even work as advertised. It can delete all files on your hard drive, email they out to anyone, cease to function, whatever. You can't sue anybody.
Tough.
There is no documented case of anyone ever winning a lawsuit because commercial software sucked.
Let it be known terrorists, YOUR ASS IS NEXT!
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I have never run into something that Google, linuxdoc.org, or time on IRC wasn't able to fix. MS may have the "knowledge base." (A horrid tangled nest of pages loosly grouped by, as near as I can tell, md5 hashes), but Linux has a dedicated, knowledgable, sometimes prickly, and definately motley following of people who have it in their best interest to see this operating system thrive. This means that, by and large, they're more willing to help.
Andrew
I posed the question to my company "What the difference between a 3rd party Linux support contract, and Microsoft support (who contracts out their first 2 lines of support 3rd parties)?!?!
you have to beg and plead for 2 days if you want to talk to somebody that actually works for microsoft when you call in. and those two days are going through various people that have probably never written a line of code in their lives (Ummm... ok, did you click or double click on File? CAREFUL, Double click CAN BE TRICKY!)
so what if we have to purchase a support contract for FreeBSD or Linux, with MS, you have to pay for the product AND THEN pay for a support contract. And the frontline support at Redhat has been shown to be a bit more knowledgable about the product than the frontline support at MS for windows..
FIRE JON KATZ!!
Fire JON KATZ!
damn it!
to say "God's Anger" is responsible for this sounds like these guys are on the wrong side of the planet.
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How the hell is this a troll?!!!
Ok, it is offtopic...
But I feel it is important to note that even notorious trollhavens have been effected by the WTC tradgedy. (And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't be moderating. Check what that damn link goes to now.)
Quite frankly, you moderators are bigger lowlifes than the trolls.
Separating vendors like Dell from Linuxcare is a bit misleading, since Linuxcare IS Dell's Linuxcare support arm. Linuxcare answers the phones on behalf of Dell and Sun's Helpdesk for Linux and Solaris calls. You can merge those two together in the table shown on that page.
It sucks.
They are responsive, I'll give them that, but they assume you are an idiot and treat you as such. They would rather tell you how dumb they think you are than help you fix your problem. They are polite about it - meaning they don't call you an idiot to your face - but their condescending tone gives them away.
They shut up real fast, though, when it turns out they were wrong.
Does this finally mean "tech support" won't be synonymous with "drooling slobbering fool who tells me to reboot before bumping me up to Tier II" ?
Seriously, for a long time tech support has been the bottom rung of the IT field...generally untrained, inexperienced and not ready to handle the complaints brought by unique situations. In general, support lines are situated to calles from Windows users who don't RTFM...however, when I called Veritas with a pure NT4/Exchange-over-BackupExec problem, they bumped me up twice before having to have someone call me back the next day. For all the naysayers of "Linux is too customized for anyone to support", maybe the real problem lies in tech support, in its current state, not being qualified to think, but only to read a list of instructions and a script, no more IT than Ms. Cleo.
Computer Problems? Calll me Now!
Example: When I loaded 2.2r3, the thing wasn't seeing my hard drive. The Debian community (for free and in no time after my request) showed me how to work around the problem.
Should I be impressed? I've seen teenage overclocker sites devote that many pages to a review of a fan. Including a table, with entries like Noise: Yes.
Obligatory BBSpot link: Video Card Review Sets Page Record
Whenever I call tech support I say right up front that I know what's up.
If you're calling Suse for tech support, they're assuming your not a "l33t Linux d00d" who can use the net/IRC/etc to solve the problems, but rather some dumbass who bought the CD at CompUSA.
They won't provide standard support for this sort of thing. However, many companies may be willing to consult with you about it. Hire a consultant at a high fee to help you customize your system.
This is the only way real support works anyway, and Linux is no different than any other product in this way. Some people just expect way too much.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
I think people think that support programs are put in place by companies to help fix their products. This is not true. The real value of support is in the fact that it makes CEO's, CTO's and CFO's more comfortable about using a certain piece of software in their companies.
In general, most problems of most products are resolvable by a little research. However, companies like to know that they are not putting money into a system which will not be supported. This is also how Red Hat makes their money...
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
Our India office works with an Indian company that supports their Linux server. It is so much more reliable than our horrible (yet brand new) w2k one. The company they use (I think it's called starcom or something similar) also has services in the US but they prefer to deal with hosted servers (in farms) and that was too complicated and costly for our small office. I wonder if the experienced and educated people they have in India are enough to overcome such a large geographic divide. I know they also send people to the US but I bet that then it is economically equivalent to a US firm, and then why not hire locally...
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Let us not forget Linux Support Services. They've been around for a couple years and do an outstanding job.
http://www.linux-support.net
Minimum of 3 huh? For 24x7? So I guess they're assuming 7 day weeks then, because three people can cover 24 hours in 8 hour shifts, but unless you're working them 7 days a week you'll have to hire 3 more for the weekend. Sheesh. Sorry, but I've had this argument 2x over the last 2 jobs.
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