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EU IDA Study On OSS

Werner writes ""European Commission Interchange of Data between Administration" (EU IDA) study on the use of open source software in the European public sector - you can get it in PDF or DOC."

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  1. Site already Slashdotted? by cyberdonny · · Score: 2

    The link leads to an empty page... Could anybody post a mirror?

  2. Re:.doc? by cyberdonny · · Score: 2

    To their credit, they also have PDF... But this seems to be irrelevant anyways, as currently their site only shows a white page.

  3. JavaScript and Frames by BobDowling · · Score: 4, Funny

    The site requires JavaScript enabled. If it is not enabled it says that you should be running with Frames enabled. (D'oh!)

    This URL (http://ag.idaprog.org/Indis35prod/doc/333) seems to have the fundamental page.

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  4. Re:.doc? by pinkNoise · · Score: 4, Flamebait
    Interesting that they publish a study on OSS in .doc, MS's *closed* doc format.

    Because free software WYSIWYG word processors are inferior, and because M$Word is the defacto standard in corporate and goverment officies.

    How many would have been able to read an AbiWord document? Or an OpenOffice document?

    They did produce a PDF too, so it's not like they are completely closing the document.

    Preferably they should have released it in plain text or HTML too, as you said, or RTF. Of course that would have lost the fancy formatting.

    Seems like we need a good open standardized WYSIWYG oriented xml based format for editing and storage. PDF and PS is a bit problematic to load into an editor... How good are the various formats used by open source word processors and office suites? Could they settle on one format to standardize?

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  5. OSS advertisement? by weinford · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I got the first part of the set of PDFs, and at a first glance I thought it was an advertisement for OSS projects, nothing else. It reads like "KDE is the greatest thing you've ever seen". But fortunetaly it's not so blind and lists some risks of OSS as well:
    • Lack of accountability.
    • Reduced set of supported hardware.
    • Reduced set of business applications.
    • Lack of guide-lines. (meaning "which application should i choose from the 234827525823 different ones?"
    • No guarantee that development will happen.
    • Some limitations regarding high-end installations.

    Being an OSS fan, after this I was happy enough to find a decent list of "possible reasons" to use OSS in public sectors nevertheless, most notably they found out about Security and Privacy, which they even seperated from another bonus, Freedom. Did RMS write this report? I think it is definitely worth reading!
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    1. Re:OSS advertisement? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • Reduced set of supported hardware.

      I'd argue that it's a different set of supported hardware.

      For example, my Acer Travelmate 507 and Creative Webcam Go that I want to use for videoconferencing:

      • Win2K: No sound.
      • SuSE: No webcam.
      • (As shipped) Win98SE: Buggy sound. The webcam works, but I need to keep my meetings short.

      You pays your money, you takes your chances.

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    2. Re:OSS advertisement? by prizog · · Score: 2

      "No guarantee that development will happen."

      As opposed to proprietary software? What guarantee is there? Well, with Free Software, if you can afford it, you can hire someone to maintain it. With proprietary software, if the vendor dies and nobody buys the product and dev team, you're screwed.

  6. 'Political' Reason by Spikelalala · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Vey interesting set of arguments from one of the pdfs. A very interesting political argument for the use of OSS. In interviews most IT managers expressed worries over a dominant vendor rleationship with Microsoft and expressed a desire for alternatives from independent private vendors. Doesn't this have relevancy to the Microsoft lawsuits, especially when you consider this was published by the European Commission. Perhaps the technology directorate and the competition directorate can agree on this and launch an action with the European Court.

  7. Quality quote by Spikelalala · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This from the first pdf: "the word 'free' in free software is used as in 'free speech' and not as in 'free beer'" Wow, I never though an EU document would include the phrase free beer.

    1. Re:Quality quote by Janon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wow, I never though an EU document would include the phrase free beer.

      Why not? EU employees get lots of it, especially officials.

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  8. Hmmm... by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the EU IDA on OSS in PDF and DOC includes the FSFs GNU and BSD UNIX but not MSFT, MS-DOS or otherwise, because of the actions by the US DOJ over MSIE, even though they FUBARed the whole thing because of W.

    HTH.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by alexburke · · Score: 2

      Robin Williams is trolling Slashdot!!!

  9. Re:.doc? by ajs · · Score: 2

    Seems like we need a good open standardized WYSIWYG oriented xml based format for editing and storage.

    AbiWord provides a just this. See the file format section of the AbiWord FAQ or the AbiWord XML DTD.

    Enjoy!

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  11. Re:.doc? by gnugnugnu · · Score: 2, Informative


    > How many would have been able to read an AbiWord document?

    Anyone who downloaded the ~3MB of Abiword from Abisource.com.
    I dont think it would be unreasonable to offer it in abw format, Its not like Adobe Acrobat Reader comes as standard with windows.

    its beyond me hy they dont just offer it online in HTML and then offer the other formats for anyone who wants to print it (or even Zipped Html for those who want to read it offline).

  12. Re:Open-PDF, Quartz, AtheOS and binning X by tolan's+my+name · · Score: 2

    Execpt that Quarz is about as open as a death-row prison

  13. Mirror (available for a short time) by Stentapp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a mirror of the PDF documents:

    http://www.informatik.umu.se/~meson/oss-eu/

    Please use the main site if possible. Don't know if the sysadmin likes this mirror :)

  14. Re:Slightly OT: Why is there no open-PDF? by gorilla · · Score: 2
    How come no one is using Postscript directly outside of printer-related tasks?

    Because it's an awful format. For example, if you have a document which is expecting to go to A4 sized paper, you can't print it on letter sized, and vice versa.

  15. All roads must be toll, all air must be billed by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    Giving things away surely is going to make it all ALOT better.

    Much depends on how you define ``better.'' If ``better'' is stuffing Microsoft's coffers to the bursting point and extending their reach, then things are in a bad way and getting worse. If OTOH ``better'' means you don't need to swap an arm, a leg and all of your privacy for infrastructure and basic tools, then the millennium is finally arriving.

    Using your own reasoning, making every street a toll road and charging people to breathe must be good for business and therefore for the world.

    Personally, I feel that any sane review of history will find that what is good for big business is almost universally bad for everyone else, notably including individuals, government, the environment and poorer countries. Businesses should exist to fill a need, not to create a need.

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  16. WTF? by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    TLA city, or are you just in love with your shift key? (-:

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  17. Unisys conducting a study on Open Source? by Copperhead · · Score: 2, Informative
    My dad has worked for Unisys for 25 years, and has often commented how much they are in bed with Microsoft. While I will continue to read the document, I have a difficult time believing that the report could truly be objective.

    This is a link to Microsoft's Partnership Profile on Unisys' web site.

    "Unisys and Microsoft have had a working relationship since the early 1980s, and a strategic partnership for over 10 years, meeting the information technology needs of clients. Today Microsoft products are an important part of virtually all Unisys solutions and technology platforms. Because of the increasing success of this relationship Unisys has been named a Tier 1 partner for Microsoft.
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  18. Re:Slightly OT: Why is there no open-PDF? by 11223 · · Score: 2

    Actually, Adobe has *published* the specifications of PDF, which is the primary reason that Apple switched to Quartz (e.g. they could use it without forking over $$$ to Adobe). Nowadays that spec is implemented by XPDF and Ghostscript.

  19. Microsoft charges for bugfixes by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    Since when are Microsoft charging for bugfixes?

    Since the bugfixes were only produced for the newest software, which you must then buy in order to have the bugfix. Oh, er, oops, you have to buy a new OS to run that, and oops again, you have to buy new hardware to run the new OS.
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  20. Creating a need by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    We pay for roads just as much as we would with tolls but it's much more practical to finance this with taxes instead

    Absolutely. The difference is, we're not charged for every individual use of the road, which is the problem being originally addressed. One of the reasons that every street and footpath isn't tolled is the riot that would ensue when people couldn't visit their neighbours for free any more.

    But there's another difference, too. Your proposed methodology would eventually tax tracks through the scrub, walking along the beach, probably even swimming. There would be no ad-hoc route formation without it first being assessed and dutied.

    What software creates a need instead of filling it?

    Outlook creates a need for virus scanners. IIS creates a need for intelligent firewalling or reverse-proxying. Word creates a need for document decoders and extra backup technology.

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