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Software Transferability? (or the lack of it)

BarefootClown asks: "We've all seen the stories about Microsoft forcing eBay to remove auctions hawking their software. Microsoft is certainly the most visible target, but there are others. Most every EULA includes a clause forbidding the transfer of ownership of software (there are exceptions, of course, and kudos to them). My question is, have these clauses been upheld in court?" What is so special about software (and their licenses), that allows it to avoid the protections consumers enjoy from more tangible products?

"I seem to recall hearing stories of courts overturning these schemes; does anybody have any specifics? Cases/judicial opinions, perhaps? I've checked FindLaw, Google, and others, but haven't found anything (haven't found anything upholding them, either...). Have these clauses ever even been to court, or do the companies just depend on FUD to bludgeon the end user into compliance? Anybody with experience, I'd love to hear it. Lawyers, your opinions? (Lawyers, would you be willing to fight one out in court, if given the chance?)"

As many of you may know, the concept of "owning" software is fallacy. You own nothing. What you do posess when you purchase your new piece of commercial software, is a corporate-skewed set of limited-use rights, which are getting more and more limited each day. For those interested, the latest print issue of Wired (October, 2001) has a big "article" on this (see p.170). It attempts to illustrate thru humorous example, what software has been seriously doing for decades.

No one would own (or lease) a car if the contract said, "You must not sell this car, in the event this car is no longer used, send it to the nearest junkyard.", so why is this true for software?

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  1. So if software is not transferable. by SpanishInquisition · · Score: 2, Funny

    We shouldn't worry about that GPL 'virus'.

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  2. because... by spacefem · · Score: 4, Funny

    Software is like prostitution. You got the product. You sell the product. You still got the product. The consumer doesn't get money back just because he's done with the product, it's a totally different concept than just buying tangible things.

    1. Re:because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      And like prostitution, you sometimes get a little extra lasting effect, viral or otherwise. Just like IIS.

    2. Re:because... by Dman33 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, is your software 'free' as in beer?

      Uh, no. It is costs money as in prostitute.

    3. Re:because... by Enigma2175 · · Score: 3, Funny
      You can't burn software.

      What are you talking about? I burn software all the time! I also burn movies, TV shows and system backups.

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  3. easy to transfer windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    i recently transferred several copies on windows to my garbage...no problems, no visits from the police. it keeps the vagrants out of your trash too.

    1. Re:easy to transfer windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      &gt i recently transferred several copies on windows to my garbage...no problems, no visits from the police. it keeps the vagrants out of your trash too.

      Yeah, but you gotta hide it in your trash well.
      Otherwise the Garbage men won't touch it either.

  4. Ahhhh by drodver · · Score: 3, Funny

    So that explains why I feel so dirty after buying software!

  5. Re:Software is licensed, not sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's fine then, I can't sell the software, because I don't own it. No problem, I won't sell the software, but I'll sell my license to use the software. As an added bonus, I'll give you the disks with the software on it. What's wrong with that?

  6. More like marriage... by Merk · · Score: 5, Funny

    But what about the nice box (ahem) that software comes (ahem) in? What about the manuals, the CD, and all the other goodies you get in a box of software? Why do you get it in a store, see a price sticker on it, give a cashier money for it, and walk out with it?

    MS wants software to be prostitution. They want you to pay each time you use it, and they want the US legal system to be their pimp.

    Chances are, whether we like it or lot, they'll get to do that. If we're lucky, however, there will be some alternatives in the form of Free software.

    The problem, as I see it, is that right now software is more like marriage. You find what you want, pay a big up-front cost -- the wedding -- and make a commitment for life. When new, improved versions become available you can go through a long, involved process to get them, but you can't recoup the original cost of the wedding. If someone wants your old version, you can't just give it to them, they have to pay for a wedding too.

    1. Re:More like marriage... by Ralph+Bearpark · · Score: 3, Funny

      > MS wants software to be prostitution.

      Open Source is easy, as in promiscuous.

      > [MS] want the US legal system to be their pimp.

      Linus wants you to sleep around.

      Regards, Ralph.

    2. Re:More like marriage... by trcooper · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm... I like that comparison... MS is the whore who'll let you do anything you want to with them, so long you pony up the cash...

      But you can do all this yourself by writing your own software...several times a day...and...if you get tired of that, you can get married to the GPL...but then you just have to put up with that nagging bitch (RMS) all the time.

      Ok... back to 'writing software'

  7. Re:Nothing is special... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    My Cat open's my software

  8. Here's what Microsoft is really afraid of by mttlg · · Score: 5, Funny

    The following is not necessarily based on any people, places, events, companies, or laws, real or imagined, and any similarity is coincidental. So there.

    Here's Microsoft's worst nightmare (assuming that Microsoft is a collective entity that can think and dream):

    Person A has a copy of Windows but doesn't want it. Person A just wants to get rid of the piece of junk, so Person A's asking price for the software and license is very low.

    Person B sees a good deal on Windows from Person A and takes advantage of it. Person B notices that there are more people like Person A, giving Person B an idea.

    Person C is being audited by Microsoft and is knee-deep in bovine excrement. Once the manure truck accident scene is cleared, Person C continues on to work, trying to figure out how to deal with the Microsoft situation.

    Person B saw Person C at the scene of the accident swearing about some "Microsoft bullsh1t." Noticing that the manure truck didn't have Microsoft painted on the side, Person B realizes that Person C is being audited by Microsoft. Person B decides that the time is right to act.

    Person B visits Person C's workplace and proposes a solution to the Microsoft problem. After some negotiation, Person B sells the necessary number of Windows licenses to Person C's company, at a substantial profit.

    Person A is happy to be rid of Windows, Person B made a nice profit, and Person C didn't have to pay Microsoft off. Microsoft loses "potential sales" and doesn't get to torture Person C's company anymore.

    Then Microsoft wakes up screaming, but realizes it was all a dream, making note to take action to prevent this horrible thing from ever happening. After reading "The Little Monopoly that Could," Microsoft was once more asleep, content that nothing could harm it.

    The End

  9. Re:buy & sell by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everything you can buy legally, you can
    also sell legally


    Including prescription drugs and controlled substances?

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