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Linux Kernel 2.4.10

erinntriggs writes "Kernel 2.4.10 is out and available at the usual places." You know the drill people! Time to make bzImage and wreck those glorious uptimes.

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  1. European mirror by DeadInSpace · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those in Europe, especially near/in the Netherlands:
    ftp://galileo.luon.net/linux/

  2. Use the mirrors, people! by Dwonis · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some of the mirrors already have the files, so make sure to use them. Also, be considerate! Try to get the patch-*.bz2 files, rather than the linux-*.tar.gz files.

  3. Re:So... how's the VM these days? by XO · · Score: 3, Informative

    jesus the VM in 2.4.2-2.4.8 sucked BADLY. 2.4.9 shows marked improvement.

    Tip: after boot, issue a swapoff on all your swap space, get your X up and running, and all your other stuff, then AFTER that, su root and swapon your swap devices.

    Makes my system run a TON faster.

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  4. don't waste bandwidth by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 5, Informative
    And remember folks, don't waste precious bandwidth, download patches!

    patch-2.4.7
    patch-2.4.8
    patch-2.4.9
    patch-2.4.10

    Links for the lazy folks ; )

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  5. Re:So... how's the VM these days? by gallir · · Score: 3, Informative
    There are lot of changes in the VM. In fact it's almost entirely new with a big patch from Andrea Arcangeli.

    Answering to another post, YES, it _should_ be better for listening MP3 files because the mmap used for most players should work nicely with the read-once technique.

    Although cannnot be assure until is hard tested, Linus found several mistakes in the cache and page aging.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a kernel hacker (although I tried it ;-). I just knew it reading every day the linux-kernel mailing list.

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  6. Re:So... how's the VM these days? by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, AA contributed an enormous VM patch that basically changes the whole system. Apparently it has good effect for interactive uses like MP3 players and web browsing, but testers at HP labs say that the performance of the 2.4.10 VM is the worst of the (very bad already) 2.4.x series on their 4-8 GB machines with 30+ SCSI devices each. They make this conclusion based on NFS benchmarks.

    On my machines, I've had tons of problems, and 2.4.10-preXX didn't make them go away. Until Linux drops the concept of memory overcommit, I'm afraid that the VM is going to continue to suck.

  7. Links to mirrors by TheEviscerator · · Score: 2, Informative

    The kernel.org main ftp site is being hammered, but if you follow the link here, you'll be taken to a pretty exhaustive list of mirrors.

    http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/

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  8. I'd put my money on tomorrow... by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I wouldn't be a lot of money, but I think if the VM on 2.4.10 looks good then 2.5 will start very soon. Linus has been hinting at it for ages, but I don't think he wants to pass 2.4.x on to Alan until it's up to standard.

    On the positive site, it looks like there's a ton of stuff ready to go into 2.5. This will be the first development kernel where the big boys (especially IBM, but also Compaq and SGI) have been involved from the beginning. They all started on projects during 2.3 that never made it into 2.4, but are now pretty much ready. The quiet time between 2.4.0 and 2.5.0 has also given a lot of other patches time to mature. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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  9. There may be no downside by marm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Basically, why is this not the default behavior?

    Well, the traditional view on this is that reducing latency by whatever means tends to lower overall data throughput, which is just what you don't want for a server OS, which is still what accounts for most Linux installations.

    However, it may be that the traditional view is wrong. It may well be that the increased usage efficiency that comes with kernel pre-emption may actually increase throughput - high-priority disk I/O for instance now never has to sit waiting for the CPU to complete a syscall. There were some interesting results posted linux-kernel regarding this, see here.

    The linux scheduler ensures that no process is ever completely starved of CPU time, so no huge backlog of syscalls ever builds up.

    The other reason that it's not the default behaviour is that it's an interesting and new approach to how to achieve a pre-emptible kernel. All other pre-emptible kernels have been designed as such from the ground up - Linux certainly hasn't. There are a couple of white papers, here and here from MontaVista (who kickstarted the pre-emptible kernel project) about the approach taken. They also detail a few other approaches to making Linux more responsive for real-time and interactive tasks.

    1. Re:There may be no downside by frleong · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, why isn't this configurable, requiring people to patch it? Windows NT/2000 has a similar setting (Optimize Performance for Foreground/Background) for quite a long time. It's time for the Linux kernel to add such a capability to gain more desktop accetance.

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  10. Re:patches & RedHat by Sapien__ · · Score: 2, Informative

    RedHat add their own patches to the kernel, so if you want the standard Linus patches to work you'll have to download a fresh kernel first.

  11. Re:It's not all about the VM, what about X? by Explo · · Score: 2, Informative

    X in itself should not be a problem with 64 megabytes of RAM - are you running something like Enlightment and Gnome too? The window managers differ quite a bit in their memory usage, and Gnome/KDE grab some of it too.


    Personally, I still use Windowmaker without Gnome/KDE (or rather have the neccessary library stuff installed for programs that are for KDE/Gnome, but not actively using resources) even though I have 256 megabytes of RAM.

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  12. Re:UPTIMES!!! WOOHOO!! by kimihia · · Score: 2, Informative

    After installing 2.4.9 at a maximum my uptime would be about a month, except for an unfortunate hardware failure.

    18:49:30 up 17 days, 1:31, 3 users, load average: 2.00, 2.02, 2.00

    What kernel was the most recent a year ago? Would that be one of the ptraceable 2.2 series?