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World's First XP System Sold

A reader writes "New zealands largest OEM PC Manufacturer, The PC Company sold the worlds first Windows XP system. Details can be found at this article on NZoom" And so, it begins.

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  1. What??? by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you mean first XP system? Iv'e been running XP for several wee- err, first *sold* XP system. Never Mind.

    (The above is a complete falsity contrived to humor readers, any resemblence to actual people, places, or events is purely coincidental)

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  2. Lack of imagination by alnapp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I suppose that if your imagination only runs to the extent of calling a PC company "The PC Company" its not suprising you'll be first in line for Mr Gate's latest.

  3. EULA will be violated by epsalon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most legitimate users will violate the EULA, by connecting to more than 10 computers (somebody said Internet?), or by installing VNC (which is explictly prohibited - but works great nonetheless) or by doing of the many things M$ says you cannot do.
    In short, you're better of pirating it.
    [Disclaimer: This message is for humor only and does not encourage piracy in any way nor does imply any resemblance to real facts.]

    1. Re:EULA will be violated by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it really is a sad day that you had to include that disclaimer ([Disclaimer: This message is for humor only and does not encourage piracy in any way nor does imply any resemblance to real facts.]). What ever happened to freedom?

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  4. 2hrs later .. by taniwha · · Score: 5, Funny

    M$ NZ gets its first XP tech support cal after the user added a new harddrive and XP told them they'd have to get permission from M$ before they continued ... and so it begins ...

  5. Is it only me then? by Troed · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... that can't understand why I should upgrade from Win2K to Windows XP? I admit to not being a Microsoft-follower, but so far I've completely failed to see what's so special about XP? It's got a new ugly look, that I've seen, but is there anything else?


    I'm actually serious - anyone? :)

    1. Re:Is it only me then? by Osty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      nothing much has changed except for the fact that normal users have access to raw network sockets.

      Uh ... you'd be correct about the raw sockets if the original poster had mentioned Win9x/ME, but since he asked about upgrading from Win2k, that's a non-issue -- NT has always had raw sockets.


      Anyway, aside from the obvious GUI enhancements (which can easily be disabled by simply choosing to use the Classic theme, which also has the property of not really being a theme, and so doesn't use the resources other themes would), there are other niceties, like fast user switching (logout or switch to another user, but let your current user's applications continue to run), enhanced Terminal Services (aka, Remote Desktop), advanced video and imaging support built in, built-in firewalling (Win2k had packet filtering capabilities, but needed code to take advantage of that), enhanced file system encryption, better app compatibility (nice to have for those games that expect a user to be running win9x), better group policies, Cleartype (if he's using a laptop or LCD display), and more. Check out this feature chart for a better idea of what XP has that 2K doesn't.

  6. Re:All Black by nagora · · Score: 4, Informative
    It means he plays Rugby for the national team, who play in black shorts, boots, socks, and shirts, and are generally referred to as "The All Blacks".

    TWW

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  7. Re:All Black by bfree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Congratulations, you have passed slashdot's "you are a dumb insular American test"! Just kidding :-)

    While Americans ignore most of the worlds sport and simply invent their own to have American World Champions, many countries play the same sports! This reference to "All Black" refers to the New Zealand Rugby Union team who are historically one of the most respected and best forces in Rugby. They are called All Blacks as their strip is all black! The press are mentioning this as it was obviously a publicity stunt by The PC Company to ensure greter coverage in their native NZ (and in fact it is a good enough gimmic to probably get some attention outside NZ). A quick look at a google search and this page also suggests Mr. Howlett might have been chosen as "the fastest man in NZ rugby". I guess we won't really know unless someone can show us the material The PC Company are putting out.

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  8. Re:Shipping already? by Suppafly · · Score: 4, Informative

    generally, in the past, oem's have received new MS OS's some time before you can buy a non-oem version.

  9. Windows in not sucking shocker. by Fweeky · · Score: 5, Informative

    XP, basically being a polished 2k, is nice and stable - 12 days playing games, installing crap, uninstalling crap, hibernating almost every night and generally Doing Stuff isn't bad.

    I finally rebooted it when it took a worryingly long time to hibernate (this, to the uninitiated, involves writing all memory out to disk, suspending drivers etc so the system can come back up in it's original state) - which I think's fair enough, seeing as it's quite a large task to ask any OS to do.

    XP also happens to boot very fast.. in fact, it's faster than coming out of hibernation here, and certainly comparible to an equivilent Unix system.

    Most of the new GUI stuff's a bit crap, but you can turn it all off with ease. The KLIK[tm] support for networking's quite nice, with bridging, NAT etc available with a few mouseclicks. It even sets up a firewall when you set up networking, and (*shock* *horror*), it's actually quite good.

    It performs at least as well as 2k, with tweaks in most of the right places, hence making it Quite Good[tm]. And it runs vim, UT, Q3 and CS - what more could you ask for? :)

  10. Kinda a FYI by loraksus · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS has been giving out free copies of XP final, full retail, pro edition to pretty much every salesperson in computer stores across north america (i.e. the warez versions are the iso's of these discs). They had a fairly hot chick do the demonstration too, hell, I admit I'm shallow.
    MS also gave a crapload of stuff about why you should sell XP to your customers, etc, etc.

    And yeah, MS is at the very least bold in some of the things they do.
    How about this - before you log in, XP tells you whether you have passport mail waiting.
    Buy music = goto microsoft music, digital pictures -> MS.
    Allow tech support (or others) remote control of your PC? You have to be using messenger (or at least, that is what is built in) This ought to be fun when an exploit is discovered. Full system takeover is possible.
    Especially optimized for P4 (MS and intel, sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g ...)
    No fucking AOL (which, as a DSL tech support agent is music to my ears)
    Built in firewall (shitty one though)
    Built in ICS
    Built in passport games...
    No apparant way to remove messenger.
    The happy registration (which has already been cracked quite completely)

    Essentially what MS is doing is creating a computer software system (aka turnkey solution) in a box. Joe user won't have to buy anything else for his pc if he buys xp. I'm sure a lot of third party vendors are going to be pissed because they won't have a market for their products, but then again, geeks never bitched when MS included undelete w/MS Dos 5.

    On the upside,
    MS finally got rid of netbeui, so your network file transfers won't be slow as shit over the network.
    MS made the gui skinnable (almost exactly like windows blinds)
    hibernate ACTUALLY WORKS (third times a charm)
    it seems to actually be running stable (uptime 1 month, with my parents on it, which means _alot_, i.e. the system has not gone down since I installed it on an overclocked celeron box),
    added a change user function, which allows the system
    added the ability to "telnet" in and logon using the remote machines cpu power, ala X-Windows. Essentially terminal services on every machine.

    It looks fischer price, and I hate to say it, but MS might of have done what they promised to do when they release Windows 95. The price is insane though, $300US for full pro edition!!!!!

    Oh. If you work in a computer store and want a free (legal) copy, florida (24,25,26), texas (24, colorado(15),az(24), still have seminars going. Check
    http://www.microsoft.com/retail/live/
    though its kinda late. Proof of employment can be a tshirt w/ a name badge. See the evil for yourself.

    Well, gnight.

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  11. Re:And hours later.... by gazbo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Indeed it is a sad world when a software company would dare to violate our civil liberties by designing an operating system that is hard to pirate.

    Thoughtless bastards - what next, people fitting 'locks' on doors to make it harder for burglars? Selfish fuckers.

  12. Re:New worms coming in the next years ... by purplemonkeydan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows XP runs EVERYTHING at root, which means every program (and even the trojans hidden within that program) has full access to all Windows services

    Pigs arse everything runs as root. When you create a new user, it asks you whether the user is a admin or regular user. Regular users are NOT root.

    And for more control, you can fire up the Users and Groups MMC, and put users in appropriate groups, and set appropriate permissions.

    Who the hell is this Cringely dolt?

  13. Re:A new danger by unitron · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Would it make more sense..."

    No, not really. Idiots with slightly improved accuracy are still idiots.

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    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  14. Re:New worms coming in the next years ... by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The users created when XP installed are automatically "root." And no, at install time, you are not given the option of making them "regular" users.

    (Specifically, it lists five text fields into which usernames are entered - these users do not get passwords unless you change the way in which login is handled. This is for the Windows XP Professional install, and not Home Edition - Home Edition probably does the same thing, though. I haven't really found there to be a big difference between Home Edition and Professional. (Although admittably this was RC2, but feature changes were not slated at that point, so it probably holds true with the release builds.))

    Which probably means that unless the OEMs take action to make sure Joe Consumer's XP box doesn't create Administrator (root) accounts when they first start up their new PC, the average consumer will be running every program as root.

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  15. I would buy XP tomorrow if... by mav[LAG] · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it could make time run backwards as you suggest :)

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  16. And so it begins? by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: And so, it begins.

    Don't you really mean: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

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  17. Normal users don't have access to raw sockets by throx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's some code for you to run:

    int main(int argc, char* argv[])
    {
    SOCKET s;

    WSADATA wsadata;
    WSAStartup(MAKEWORD(2,2), &wsadata);

    s = WSASocket(AF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_IP, NULL, 0, 0);
    printf("%d\n", s);

    SOCKADDR from;
    int fromlen = sizeof(from);

    struct sockaddr_in to;

    ZeroMemory(&from, sizeof(from));
    ZeroMemory(&to, sizeof(from));

    char buf[4096];

    to.sin_family = AF_INET;
    to.sin_addr.S_un.S_addr = 0x0100007F;
    to.sin_port = 0;

    int sb = sendto(s, buf, 0, 0, (SOCKADDR *)&to, sizeof(to));
    DWORD sbe = GetLastError();

    int cb = recvfrom(s, buf, sizeof(buf), 0, &from, &fromlen);
    DWORD cbe = GetLastError();

    printf("%d, %d\n", sb, cb);
    printf("%d, %d\n", sbe, cbe);
    closesocket(s);

    scanf("\n");
    }

    When you run as an admin, it works. When you run as a non-admin you get an error (EACCESS) trying to send or receive from the raw socket.

    To put it simply, GRC is lying to you for the purposes of selling his own products and you got suckered. The rules for raw sockets are exactly the same as on Win2k and Linux - you gotta be root.

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  18. Enough making fun of XP already! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The significant differences between Linux and Windows XP are very few. They aren't worth arguing. You can say "Oh, but the Linux kernel is prettier!" but it doesn't matter when both OSes are rock solid. And the stability of a PC OS mostly comes down to drivers as it. Run Linux with a poor video driver and you'll have endless headaches. Ditto for Windows XP. You can say that Windows XP is bloated and slow, but you can say the same of Linux + XWindows + KDE/Gnome as well.

    So it all comes down to Windows XP being a Microsoft product and Linux being free, and that there is some software you can only get for one or the other. That's about all you can argue, though most people don't care.