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Sun Releases Starcat

SilentChris writes: "Sun has released the Starcat server, a beast with up to 106 processors running Unix. Anyone have an extra couple [million] bucks lying around?" They're not cheap.

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  1. just wait by smnolde · · Score: 5, Funny

    until it shows up on e-bay from a disgruntled former dot bomb employee who five-fingered it from a linux shop which stole BSD code.

  2. For those beowolf comments by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lets remember, that this system is not intended to replace a beowolf cluster of cheap pc's. It is intended to do something that most beowolf clusters can never do: present a single OS image with half a terabyte of memory that any cpu can access at very high speed.

    This is a system that is very good at things like fluid dynamics and massive database operations. It is not a good idea if all you want to do is get to the top of the list for the SETI@Home project

    1. Re:For those beowolf comments by nion · · Score: 5, Funny
      It is not a good idea if all you want to do is get to the top of the list for the SETI@Home project.

      Been there, done that. Tech here working with the StarFire used to run Seti@Home on idle systems. 64 400MHz UltraSparcs. Team Sun@Home rose rather quickly in the ranks those days, I hear. ;)

      --
      der dee der.
    2. Re:For those beowolf comments by Webmonger · · Score: 4, Informative

      In terms of memory bandwidth and latency, they are very different.

      The fastest networking technologies do not approach the speed and responsiveness of a memory bus. Yet a cluster design uses networking in place of a memory bus some of the time.

      If there's not a lot of data, it doesn't matter much. If there's tons and tons of data, a cluster design is inefficient.

  3. Re:106? by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 5, Informative

    The system grows to 106 in the following way:

    There are 18 "cpu/memory" boards that hold 4 cpu's each. This brings the system up to a total of 72 cpu's and 576GB of ram.

    Now, if you want an server that just does number crunching and dont care about I/O, you can then add 'MaxCPU" modules. Each module holds two additional cpu's (no memory) and occupies the hPCI module slot (a hot swap PCI case that can hold what looks like two to four pci cards). You can use up to 17 of the hPCI module slots to hold MaxCPU modules. (there are 18 pci channels on the system, and at least one must be used for accessing the boot disk).

    So there ya have it, 106 cpu's and half a terabyte of ram. I think that in most cases, folks will opt to not use the MaxCPU modules and just stick to the 72 cpu limit.

  4. All I want for Christmas... by digital_freedom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Santa,
    I've been a real good gEek this year. I wrote several white-hat worms to fix IIS holes. I defended IP rights in the Linux kernel. I also mirrored the LOTR trailer.
    Could I please get just one little old Starcat Server from Sun? Please make sure it is the 106 processor version with 576 GB of RAM.
    I will be real good and use my idle time for SETI.

    Your pal,
    digital_freedom

    P.S. Chocolate chip cookies are your favorite right?

  5. The marketrons are going to _freak out_. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Wow, look at all the hits we're getting on the Starcat shopping cart! We're going to make a mint on these suckers!"

  6. partitions by cornflux · · Score: 4, Interesting
    CNET article: The system can simultaneously use 900MHz processors with faster models yet to come. However, each partition requires all processors to run at the same speed, so faster chips will have to run in a partition of their own.

    As someone who does nothing with these types of systems, nor follows them, I think it's great that you can have different processor speeds using "partitions."

    I wonder if memory is treated the same way... i.e., separated by "partitions," or if you also have a choice to use it as one, large unified memory resource... or, I wonder if memory can be dynamically partitioned... hmm.

    Actually, now that I'm thinking about it... are all of the processor partitions considered peers? I mean, are the partitions all treated as if they were a single processor... then treated equally?

    1. Re:partitions by Doctor_D · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the specs each processor board holds 4 processors and 32 gigs of memory.

      Now, if the starcat treats domains (partitions) the same as the E10k (I haven't been to training yet on it), then each domain at minimum will consist of 4 processors and 32 gigs of ram, ie 1 processor board. Basicaly these doamins are treated as seperate boxes as far as Solaris is concerned. You configure a domain to say contain 2 system boards, and then when you load Solaris, it then sees 8 processors and 64 gigs of memory. This way you can allocate resources as the need fits. But this means it doesn't look like the virtual processor that mainframes present.

      The starcat may deal with processors above 72 in a different way, but I honestly don't know at this time how it deals with them.

      Hope this helps answer your question.

      --
      "If you insist on using Windoze you're on your own."
  7. Re:Scheduling airplanes? by Derkec · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "those conducting computationally intense tasks such as scheduling airplanes"

    "Huh? I understand that the nation's air traffic controllers may need updated equipment in light of the existing crisis, but how hard can scheduling be? I could see a use for a massively parallel monster like this in, say, flow-through or structural analysis or something, but scheduling? "


    What your missing is that this isn't a matter of airtraffic control. This is a matter of determining which planes and crews to fly to which locations at what times to maximize revenue. This is a classic, big, nasty travelling salesman problem. The bigger of a beast of a machine you get, the closer you get to an optimized solution. I.E. Most passengers willing to pay this most money with the least use of resources. It's a huge problem that needs massive computational power.

  8. Re:106 procs, so what by segfaultcoredump · · Score: 4, Informative

    The SGI origin has a ccNUMA architecture, which makes it great for some tasks, ok for others, and awful for yet others. (the trick is to make sure that your particular app falls under the 'great' category)

    The sun system is an smp based system, everything connects to a common backplane and each board has equal access to all of the other boards. With the sgi, the speed of accessing memory on the local board or boards in the same cabinet is much faster than hits to memory in remote cabinets.

    From what I can tell, Sun is planing on producing a special system board that goes into one of those 18 slots. Thus, with 19 StarCats you can create one big system with 1836 cpu's and 9.7TB of ram. (think of a system in the middle that acts as the center of a star) it will most likely be based on a COMA architecture rather than a ccNUMA. Like the SGI, memory access will depend on the distance between the requesting cpu and the storage location. The difference is that under COMA, if a cpu requests a particular bit of memory a lot, that page is either migrated or copied to a memory bank on that cpu's memory board (so if 5 cpu's all need read only access to the same bit of memory, then they can each have their own copy in a local memory bank. write updates are what make the system a pain in the ass to manage ).

  9. strcat? by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Funny

    We all know strncat() is better.