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Slashback brings you some follow-ups tonight about Gartner's recommendation to dump IIS, Charles Connell vs. Eric S. Raymond on Open Source project management, xStore and the GPL, and (yes) the results of Deep Space 1's latest Final Mission.

Microsoft is just as secure as the competition, says Microsoft. Jon_E writes: "According to this article Microsoft is responding to the Gartner Report which recommends that enterprises drop IIS by claiming unfair targeting due to their popularity."

Whether because of better-trained or more vigilant administrators, or some other factors, the Apache servers running many web sites certainly haven't seen the devastating outages in the past month (Code Red, Nimda) as certain large IIS installations have.

If animated, this might make a really good Saturday cartoon. cconnell writes "Last September, slashdot published my critique of Eric Raymond's essay The Cathedral and the Bazaar. There was a lively (and sometimes scorching) discussion that followed. Here is Eric's reply to my critique, which Slashdot readers might enjoy. And here is my reply to Eric."

This was not faked in the same studio as the "lunar landings." mrsmalkav writes "Deep Space 1 has passed by Comet Borrelly within 1400 miles and took some very pretty pictures of the comet's core, all while collecting lots of data about said comet. NASA's press release discusses some of the details and findings of the flyby.

This is actually really impressive given that there was very little hope for this mission. From the Mission Logs on DS1's site, '[T]o be honest, DS1's visit with the comet simply is unlikely to work as well as we hope. Many mission logs have described the difficulty of keeping this aged and wounded bird aloft, and the encounter with Borrelly will present Deep Space 1 with the greatest challenge yet in its historic trek through the solar system.'"

Saint Aardvark writes "Space.com has an article about the images taken by DS-1, and they're stunning." And eldurbarn points to the NASA Images of comet Borrelly online at JPL.

How to satisfy customers with license objections, Part II brtb writes: "Soon after Slashdot posted my DiscZerver-GPL writeup last week, xStore added a link in their Download section for information about the use of GPL software in their products. Below is the e-mail I received in response (address changed to protect the spamless). Congratulations to xStore for supporting Free Software and bringing the DiscZervers into compliance with the GPL.

From: "Support" [support@xstoreonline.com]
To: "brtb" [slashdot@brtb.org]
Subject: "RE: GPL SOURCE CODE"

xStore is committed to complying to the full letter and spirit of the GPL. We are currently investigating the allegations of non-GPL compliance and communicating with the GNU.ORG and Free Software Foundation on this issue. We will produce a response to your request that is mutually acceptable to the copyright holders of the programs we have used that fall under the GPL and xStore itself. Due to the recent acquisition of this product, we are still in the process of preparing the required source code for distribution. xStore is commited to bring the DiscZerver product into GPL compliance, if it is indeed found to be not in compliance.

In the meantime, please provide xStore with information so that we can send you, the user of this product, the package that you are entitled to. Please provide the serial number of your DiscZerver product and the 'system page' with your response. The 'system page' is located at [http://your_Zerver_name_or_IP_address/admin-cgi/s ystem]. In addition, please send us a self addressed stamped envelope suitable for mailing a CD-ROM along with $14.95 to:

xStore, Inc.
Federal Highway Center
1200 North Federal Highway
Suite 200
Boca Raton, FL 33432

After we receive your written request along with the above items, we will process it and promptly send you the disc when it becomes available.

This thanks to the mostly behind-the-scenes work of people at the FSF. Congratulations to xStore for respecting the intent of the programmers whose work they're consolidating and packaging.

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  1. Zimmermann Article by fizban · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's another article in the NYT about the encryption restrictions being brought up for debate and it includes a nice jab at the Washington Post for misquoting Zimmermann on his PGP interview. Check it out here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/25/technology/25COD E.html

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  2. Re:what does an ion engine do? by Coniine · · Score: 4, Informative

    An ion engine ionizes neural atoms then accelerates the charged particles and emits them as a high energy stream. The ship accelerates in the opposite direction of course. One potential source of atoms ( rather than carrying them along as a payload ) is to use a magnetic field to gather material that is just out ther in "space".

  3. That conspiracy theory should really die by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 4, Informative
    This was not faked in the same studio as the "lunar landings."

    Before you flame: yes, I know that was meant as a joke, and yes, this post is more than slightly off topic (but Slashback threads often are), but this is probably going to be discussed here sooner or later anyhow so I might as well take some preventative measures.

    The lunar landings were not fake. The "evidence" is poor at best, and just blatantly stupid otherwise. I won't reiterate all arguments against this silly conspiracy theorys validity, as you can read all about it, for example, here or here.

    There are lots of nice conspiracy theories that really have some nice arguments that actually speak for them, but this is not one of those. This one should really die. Seriously, I'd go for Illuminati or Elvis any day of the week if this was my only alternative.

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  4. Re:what does an ion engine do? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 5, Informative

    DS1 How the Ion Engine Works

    Has a great description. It even has pretty pictures.

  5. Re:what does an ion engine do? by c_chimelis · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the best explanation of ion propulsion that's used in the DS1 probe, see the Ion Propulsion FAQ at NASA's JPL site.

    For more information on the DS1 probe itself (and the technologies that it tested), see the DS1 Home Page, also on the JPL site.

  6. Interesting article on ION drive. by bIOHZRd · · Score: 5, Informative

    subject says it all.

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/206711.asp

  7. free registration req. by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 2, Informative
    user: testtest
    pw: testtest

    'Nuff said.

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  8. Re:what does an ion engine do? by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ion engines work by accelerating charged particles (ions) electrically rather than accelerating molecules chemically. A conventional rocket motor works by taking a fuel/oxidizer mix that contains stored chemical energy, releasing the chemical energy by burning the fuel/oxidizer, and using the generated heat to accelerate the combustion products out of the rocket. In an ion engine, OTOH, an inert gas (xenon) is ionized and the ions are accelerated by passing them through an electric field (and then throwing them out of the engine).

    There are two important criteria to use in judging an engine: thrust and specific impulse. The thrust is how hard the rocket can push (i.e. its force) and is a combination of how rapidly it can push reaction products out and how fast they're going. Specific impulse measures how fuel efficient the rocket is, i.e. how much thrust it can get from a given amount of 'fuel', and basically depends on the velocity of the reaction products leaving the thruster. Chemical rockets can achieve much higher burn rates than ion engines, so they can produce much higher thrust. Ion engines, though, can achieve much higher specific impulse, because they can accelerate ions to much higher velocities by using energy accumulated from solar panels or radiothermal generators.

    Overall which one you want to use depends on circumstances. Chemical rockets are necessary for things like getting into orbit in the first place, because you need to have a thrust/weight ratio > 1 to get off the ground, and ion engines can't get there. OTOH, once you're in space you can't easily get more fuel, so the greater efficiency of ion engines means that they make a good propultion system for long, deep space flights.

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  9. Re:$14.95 by andrewb · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ah, yes. That would be a kibblesworth of 5c.

    KIBBLESWORTH (n.):
    The footling amount of money by which the price of a given article in a shop is less than a sensible number, in a vain hope that at least one idiot will think it cheap. For instance, the kibblesworth on a pair of shoes priced at £19.99 is 1p.
    -- The Meaning of Liff, by Douglas Adams & John Lloyd
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  10. "Please provide the serial number"? NOT! by StenD · · Score: 4, Informative
    In the meantime, please provide xStore with information so that we can send you, the user of this product, the package that you are entitled to. Please provide the serial number of your DiscZerver product and the 'system page' with your response. The 'system page' is located at [http://your_Zerver_name_or_IP_address/admin-cgi/s ystem].
    I hope you told them that they cannot limit their obligation to provide copies of the source code to those with DiscZervers. From the GNU GPL FAQ:
    What does this "written offer valid for any third party" mean? Does that mean everyone in the world can get the source to any GPL'ed program no matter
    what?
    "Valid for any third party" means that anyone who has the offer is entitled to take you up on it.
    If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source code, the GPL says you must provide a written offer to distribute the source code later. When users non-commercially redistribute the binaries they received from you, they must pass along a copy of this written offer. This means that people who did not get the binaries directly from you can still receive copies of the source code, along with the written offer.

    The reason we require the offer to be valid for any third party is so that people who receive the binaries indirectly in that way can order the source code from you.
  11. Graham Clueless strikes back... by Chagrin · · Score: 5, Informative
    • Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at security firm Sophos, is concerned that a mass move to alternative Web server software would cause more disruption than sticking with Microsoft IIS and patching it. "Code Red was less about the vulnerability of IIS, as all software has bugs, but more about system administrators ignoring the warnings that came well in advance of Code Red," said Cluley.

    Hmm... where do I remember him from?
    • "The average person in the street doesn't need to worry, as they would have to be specifically targeted," said Graham Cluley, an Internet security expert with antivirus firm Sophos.

    Always nice to have a few staunch supporters ready to jump to your defense :)
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  12. Mac is superior -- NOT by OSgod · · Score: 3, Informative

    Umm... about 6.5 years ago many university Mac labs were completely overrun -- shut down -- because of fast spreading viruses that moved like wildfire. I remember watching a lab shut down within 15 minutes (25 machines). Cleaned by the next day and then shut down again in another 15 minutes.

    The Mac is not invulnerable. Far from it. Webstar hasn't been hacked yet -- congratulations! That's good news and the developers deserve thanks.

    Of course if the Mac were in any way a significant platform for web serving it might make more of an impact. Right now it isn't nor does it look like it will be in the near future. As a matter of fact it is an extremely tiny server platform.

    The reasons that the Mac is a marginal platform for servers are many but center around a few significant facts. In the past they have not been built as true servers that can compete on a price/performance module -- not the cpu but the entire system. The development platforms for open source (Linux, etc.) and NT (IIS/ASP/etc.) implementations are easy, powerful and productive -- the Mac is not really superior and in some areas doesn't come close to the base functionality of either Linux or NT/2000.

    Frankly the Mac is a marginal system. Always has been. May always be. To move away from marginality it needs to present a compelling technical ability (i.e.: price/performance must soundly trounce the competition), an ability to deliver solutions swiftly and/or an ability to deliver web solutions that no other platform can do.

    Doesn't look good for the Mac.

  13. Re:Security through Obscurity by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not the best solution, but as the article says, there aren't a lot of virsuses for the mac for this reason. So one thing that can make your servers more secure is to use a more obscure OS and know it really well.

    Mac viruses aren't in wide circulation for reasons beyond numbers. Apple, unlike MS, actually secures things so that scripting can't run amok, as with ILOVEYOU and all the others. Fully scriptable OS are trouble waiting to happen and everyone BUT Microsoft knows it.

    And yes, Macs get viruses. There are also ways to trash a Mac system with scripting, but most of them aren't even a tenth as evil as this stuff coming to a Windows machine near you. Ironic, the last virus problem that I had to watch for were macro viruses that came through corrupted Word files. If you don't have Office on the machine, you don't have a problem--Appleworks and MacLink get the job done.

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  14. IIS seem to have half the marketshare of Apache by plimsoll · · Score: 2, Informative

    Excerpted from Netcraft's Web Server Survey http://www.netcraft.com/survey/

    The Netcraft Web Server Survey is a survey of Web Server software usage on Internet connected computers. We collect and collate as many hostnames providing an http service as we can find, and systematically poll each one with an HTTP request for the server name. In the August 2001 survey we received responses from 30,775,624 sites.

    Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains August 1995 - August 2001

    [graphic]

    58.08% Apache
    26.47% Microsoft
    04.29% iPlanet
    02.64% Zeus

    Take that, marketroid!

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  15. Re:"Please provide the serial number"? NOT! by dangermouse · · Score: 3, Informative
    The IBM Public License is interesting in its source code distribution policy. It states that source code must be distributed in a format typically used for storing program code. In other words, unlike some Open Source licenses, the IBM license prevents you from distributing the source carved into a grain of rice, or coded into the DNA of an engineered bacterium.

    This is also true of the GPL:

    3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,...

    At some point, of course, it was decided that distributing source in a 650MB CD-ROM image was OK under these terms (!?), but that's another argument for another day. ;)

  16. Never say never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    macs have NEVER been broken into running the WebStar server

    http:// www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/mcwo/0818/mcwo0001.html

    I'm sure more astute individuals will find more. If you'd have spent five minutes with Google instead of simply spouting off in a public forum, you would not appear as nearly the zealot that you do now.

  17. Re:Not just popularity by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yep. If popularity was the source of all worms, Apache would be 3 times the can-of-worms that IIS is....

    The problems is pretty simple-- IIS trusts itself to police itself, and this trust is misplaced. The default installation of Apache does not do this. That being said, I have serious reservations about many other proprietary and open source web servers including Tux and Websphere for this reason.

    Does IIS remind one of Sendmail, anyone?

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