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WorldCom Bids On Various Rhythms Assets
iamabot writes: "DSL providers are cheap these days. After the AT&T acquisition of NorthPoint assets for 135 million, WorldCom has issued a 40 million dollar bid for various assets of Rhythms. The interesting thing here is after some other providers disconnected their subscribers, WorldCom seem to be interested in operating the existing network. I suspect this will actually be a fairly cheap endeavor, when compared to the capital and recurring expenditures DSL providers faced over the past few years, especially for WorldCom. The majority of the cost associated with lighting up a DSL network nationally involves the capital expenditures to buy the equipment and the huge recurring monthly transport costs for central office aggregation to a node.
Does anyone else see the acquisitions in the past year or so as an opportunity for the DSL industry to rebound?"
After so many bounced and now that most of what's left are hurting...it's unlikely to see them gain alot of financial backing.
A different kind of animal
the huge recurring monthly transport costs for central office aggregation to a node
Does anyone know what this means?
I'm just trying to get Verizon to stop sending me things in the mail or calling me about it. I cancelled service and switched to cable. If I ever want DSL again, I'll call them. Until then they can stop wasting trees.
-Chris
Things that are happening right now is mere part of the roller coaster ride. It's just that in the high-tech arena, the price changes got a bit too exaggerated - that is, either it's too high, or too low.
For those who got extra Greenbacks in their pockets now, there are plenty of bargain to be had.
These rock-bottom priced bargains will one day become high price again.
Count on it.
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"Does anyone else see the acquisitions in the past year or so as an opportunity for the DSL industry to rebound?"
The DSL industry must charge more for their services. Just like so many other bussinesses the fokus has been to much on market-shares and to little on having big enough revenues the last years.
Cost, in a business, are two sorts - capital and operational. What Worldcom have done here is picked a business at a discount compared to the capital expediture they would be required to make to build the same business. A fire sale in other words.
I suspect this will actually be a fairly cheap endeavor, when compared to the capital and recurring expenditures DSL providers faced over the past few years
Now, the recurring cost will be a bit less for Worldcom compared with Rhythms but not by a huge margin (basically by the amount it takes to service the smaller debt, plus some from economies of scale). So I don't think that this will be a fairly cheap endevour to run. However, as the DSL market is undergoing a shakeout there will be less competition, and this will push user costs up.
The equation is a bit less opex, low capex for the infrastructure, and more revenue generated due to price increases (and, possibly, provision of low cost high margin services to a larger pool of users). Hopefully, opex+capex servicing+investment revenue, or it's goodbye DSL.
This is the natural endgame for the DSL business. If you look at this a bit closer, you can see this was planned all along. Why else do you think the VCs pushed those 'DLEC's in a no win situation of burning millions of dollars on building a 'nation wide' network of DSL access? (never mind if it's profitable, our research shows that this is what companies like you have to have to be valuable!)
Of course, that is no way to have a business plan, but its a heck of a way to set up your buds in the big carriers for a cheap network upgrade after the DLEC in question goes down in flames...
Nonetheless, WCOM's CLEC status does make it vulnerable to changes in the telecom regulatory sphere, and this only increases their sensitivity to potential ILEC-sponsored legislation. The recent tragedies in New York and Washington have back-burnered many of the bills in the telecom regulatory war, but watch for the introduction of sub rosa amendments and riders by both sides of the industry in the coming months.
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> WorldCom said it will operate Rhythms' network
> assets in 31 markets and will have the right to
> use assets in 709 telephone companies' central
> offices and at Rhythms' Englewood, Colorado
> headquarters.
Sounds to me like they got a good deal. DSL is not a long-term solution to broadband access provision, so you might immediately think "why would anyone voluntarily lumber themselves with a soon-to-be-obsolete infrastructure?". But the right of access to all that existing CO plant is worth a lot more to them. They'll be grateful of it once they move beyond the limits of the current twisted pair local loop.
This theory seems more plausible for the fact that most (all?) of Rhythm's customers have already left the service. Usually when one service provider takes over from another they inherit some sort of customer base, goodwill etc... but in this case, there is little (none?).
In the meantime, they can probably make back most of that money by getting themselves organised and charging a sensible price for DSL. But I rather fear that too many customers have already got burned and will switch to cable, or wait for fibre, or even just wait to see what the market looks like in a years time (that's the attitute that *really* pisses off telcos!).
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It won't be independent companies to rebound, it is going to be the telcos that do it. It is easier for them to do this because they don't have to be a middle man for the service, thus easier to make a profit and still be competitive to cable.
I don't think they are going to be that competitive though unless they start treating it like dialup and make it a whole cheaper compared to cable, considering the advantage cable has in speed already.
For those who got extra Greenbacks in their pockets now, there are plenty of bargain to be had.
That's, unfortunately, what I'm worried about! I fear that once the economy gets better and the dust clears, we'll see DSL monopolies in some areas...especially areas further from the cities. It's a good thing that 1.) cable[modem] is widely available and 2.) Competition can actually happen with DSL, unlike the way local phone service works...
"If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards."
For those who are interested in the capital (equipment) cost of rolling out a DSL service, the current basic cost is down to about $50 for a USB modem, and $100 for the DSLAM port. (assuming you want 10,000 of them).
Of course, you have to add in the warm bodies in the call center, and the backbone bandwidth, but these are telcos, and are supposed(!) to have a good ATM backbone already. (Besides, moving surfers from dial-up to DSL saves a *HUGE* volume of voice capacity on the backbone anyhow).
Source for the above figures is the latest news report from DSL Prime.
They provide a good free (as in beer) report on the DSL industry.
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To me, Verizon (and SBC) is the Microsoft of the telecommunications business. I spent a few months this year dealing with a DSL fiasco. I'm not one of those people who gets upset about little things, but when they shut off my normal phone service and so forth, I began getting really pissed off.
Verizon (and SBC) have a government-granted monopoly on local phone service. The government says they're the only ones who are allowed to string telephone wire over and under our public streets. A condition of this monopoly which the government has granted, Verizon has to let DSL providers like Covad, Northpoint and Rhythms access to the central office and so forth. Verizon has been breaking the law and not meeting this obligation. In 1999 Covad filed an anti-trust suit against Verizon.
I had Covad as my DSL provider, Verizon is my local Baby Bell Local Exchange Carrier. For people who have ever had to deal with a T-1 which is down, you know how it is maddening as Verizon and Digex (or UUnet, or Sprint, or MCI) just point fingers at each other and say it's not their fault. I am somewhat familiar with central offices and the like so I was able to discern who was at fault in my case - and it was always Verizon's. When I called Verizon to complain that my phone line was dead or at other times that my DSL line was dead they had the gall to ask me why I wasn't using Verizon DSL. Covad kept making appointments to get into my CO but the Verizon people were always no-shows. Hell, they're a monopoly, why should they care.
Verizon is also one of the biggest political contributors in New York state politics, and one of the biggest contributors to national campaigns. This is how they get the government-granted right to be the only ones allowed to string telephone wire over and under our public streets. Once Covad, Northpoint and Rhythms are out of business, they can hike DSL rates up real high.
There is a GLUT of unused bandwidth out there, and even in this economy a demand for DSL. But government-granted mononopolies like Verizon/SBC prevent us the user/consumer from getting to that bandwidth. I keep getting advertisements in my phone bill for Verizon DSL, but I will never use them. I became so mad at Verizon, I did some political work on the campaign to keep them from doing long distance in Massachusetts.
Open up our phone lines to free competition. Get rid of the Verizon/SBC monopoly over phone lines over and under our public streets, which is granted by corrupt politicians who are paid off to maintain that license.
Gee whiz, writing this upon my DSL political landscape insights...
MACROECONOMIC
This would only improve the existing long-distance carrier company's portfolio a bit.
MACRO-MACROECONOMIC
WorldCom, good move. Now, let's start seeing those revenues rolling in (more customers or more fees?)
MICROECONOMIC
More consolidation, less competition. More profit margin, less consumer interest: just like ISDN in the 1980s.
POLITCAL
With Rep. Billy Tauzin (La) and his deeply baby-Bells-stuffed pocket sitting in Telecommunication Committee, nothing will improve in terms of DSL competition, just less. AT&T @Home Cable won't improve either for that matter. A perfect politician advancing through inactions.
GOVERNMENT
FAA needs to get off their dufus and enact less colocation cost for competitive DSLAMs situated in baby Bell's utility cages.
BIRDEYE VIEW
It gets Worse for the consumers.
Secondly, DSL will not bounce back until there is more action taken against the ILECs like Verizon and SBC/Ameritech. The 4-6 weeks to set up a DSL line to a CLEC is typically to allow the amount of time for the ILEC to go out and switch it over; since this means a loss of a potental customer to the ILEC, they drag their heels as much as possible, despite threats of gov't intervention or penality. Here in the mid-west, Ameritech land, we're just getting over our hundreds-of-million-dollar spanking of Ameritech for poor customer service and repairwork of normal phone lines (with further penalties for future incompenticies), but nothing to cover the broadband market. $100M may seem like a lot, but that's chump change to SBC/Ameritech; it's probably cheaper for them to incure these fines than to spend more to bump up service.
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I have posted here many times stating something to the effect of: "The reason these guys are going down is the same reason Pets.com went down, you just can't give away $400-500 modems and expect to make a profit. I'm working with a small New England DSL provider, and we make customers pay for their modems, because they understand this and know we won't be shutting them down unexpectedly like Covad, Vitts, North Point, etc..."
I was wrong, we went under too. I suspect the DSL industry will rebound but it will only rebound as a few companies that bought out the first generation of DSL providers for penies of what it cost to creat the infrastructure and customer base.
I see the same thing happening with the cable modem industry, as Adelphia is gobbling up cable providers that fall too far into the red. Practically overnight, an unheard of little Cable Company in New York has sprung up with customers and pipes coast to coast at a fraction of what it cost to build.
This is a good and a bad thing... it's good for present DSL customers with local COs because someone else will likely move in and keep their connection on... but don't expect these guys to invest in more COs to expand their reach to more customers. If you don't have a local CO now, you won't for the forseeable future.
There are a couple of issues to think about. A handful of months ago, Scott McNealy of Sun Microsystems fame said in a speech that there are going to be some "third time owned" effects in the marketplace. What he meant was that with the original (new) cost of the equipment it is difficult to make a venture (whether it be telecom or internet) profitable. The second time around is better, but still not good enough. By the time the equipment ends up in it's third set of hands the cost has likely decreased to the point where the service can be offered at the current market rate and yet be profitable.
Whether you apply this to telecom companies (360 Networks) that have buried a tremendous amount of fiber or to internet companies (Webvan and their excellent warehouses and technology or take your pick of high-flying dotcom that bought too many Sun servers) it is not difficult to understand. When you pay 10% of the original price it is easier to be profitable. How surprised would you be if Worldcom DIDN'T cut a deal with the ILECs on long distance in order to get cheaper rates for DSL?
Rebound, maybe. But not a rebound to anything resembling what we had a year ago. If you look at what's happening, you've Big, Impersonal TelCos (AT&T, WorldCom) buying-up the assets. You can be sure they won't be re-selling to the smaller, more personalized ISPs. Choice will be limited and prices are sure to keep increasing. Maybe this is what's needed to make xDSL a viable business model, but the trend certainly won't be an improvement from a customer point-of-view.
I for one did not wait around to the bitter end
this time, having done that with Northpoint. While
I was in limbo that time I ordered Earthlink. Ended
up with two DSLs as isp magically got me on Rhythms
after saying repeatedly they would not be able to.
When I got the letter saying disconnect was around
the corner I just dropped the service. I was paying
$150 a month for 384/384 with the small IP block.
I now have 1.5Mb down (I am very close to the CO)
about 100 up, but no static IP. Hopefully this will
not be far off.
Conclusion: fuck rhythms fuck northpoint and I bet
you a lot of people said the same thing in August
No, I see this as the Bells finally having knifed the baby.
These entrenched companies didn't want to open up their developed-under-monopoly wiring plants to outsiders but desperately wanted access to the long-distance market and so were willing to concede entry. However this didn't mean they had to play fair and so they took every opportunity and used every trick in the book to screw, backstab and block their competition. Now that they've managed to eliminate that competition they can buy the carcasses for pennies on the dollar and return to their slow expensive monopolistic ways.
This isn't a rebound, it's a rape and the consumers are the next to get screwed unwillingly.
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First off, and speaking as a regular Slashdot karma whore who loves bashing Bill, I think it's cruel to Microsoft to equate VZ and SBC to them! But anyway...
These ILECs do not have a legal monopoly on anything any more. You and I can string wire under or over the street next to theirs. It's just bad business to try. Several companies such as Worldcom (ex-MFS, Brooks, MCI), AT&T (ex-TCG), Metromedia, Hyperion, XO and ELI dumped a few billion dollars burying fiber under the streets in major business districts. Often right next to each other, guaranteeing that nobody would have enough business to be profitable. That's one reason why the telecom sector is so weak now. Local competition was opened nationwide in 1996 and there was so much cheap capital around at the time that a lot was squandered.
There is still a growing CLEC sector, but the failures of Covad (operating in Chapter 11), Rhythms, Northpoint, Vitts, BBO and others have demonstrated how hard it is to operate as a pure-play DSL provider. Many of the surviving CLECs, like Allegiance and McLeod USA, combine their own facilities with leased ILEC wire and do both voice and data. Rhythms leased the wire but only got the data revenue from it.
CLEC survival depends upon the FCC enforcing rules that require the Bells and other ILECs to interconnect and lease critical facilities to them. That has been rather lacking as of late. It also depends upon Congress *not* changing the rules and, for instance, passing the Dingell-Tauzin bill, which would essentially shut CLECs out of the DSL business and make it an unregulated ILEC monopoly.
I just sent this post over a Rythms DSL line, which was supposed to go offline a week ago. Might this mean that my line will stay up and I will just start getting bills from WorldCom?
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Simple solutions:
Get cable.
Get a 56k modem *VIVA BAUD!*
Get a wireless broadband solution =)
Oh oh oh...nevermind forgot what the 4th one was.
Just be happy we don't have to put our phone receiver on a 'docking station' anymore just to link-up.
"Just Smile and Nod." --Huck
Which is true.
But it's a long way of saying "The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."
All it really means is that the billions of dollars in capital to build the network got evaporated when the shareholders and bondholders took a bath in bankruptcy, and after a couple of iterations of "Oops, we couldn't make it work, here, you take it off our hands for 30 cents on the dollar", the "cost" drops.
The "cost" of building the network, of course, hasn't dropped -- only what people are willing to sell the network for once it's been built.
Of course, those are the risks you take when you invest capital. In this case, the shareholders and bondholders got burned, but the world got a pretty neat network out of the deal.
Make that FCC, not FAA.
Brain-fart.
I experienced the monopoly effect too, but it wasn't so maddening. I tried to get DSL service from I think it was Northpoint. They said they had to do a 'line check' to be sure I could support DSL. Then I didn't hear from them for like 3 weeks. When they finally called back they said it looked like I couldn't get DSL.
6 months later SBC wouldn't quit bothering me to hook up DSL to the SAME lines over the SAME CO equipment that Northpoint was trying to use. I put 2 and 2 together and saw what was going on : SBC was giving Northpoint the runaround and stranging their business while they got their own offering ready.
The ending for me was that I use Cable for broadband. The ending for Northpoint was less attractive. I hope these guys can build a solid case and take a serious bite out of the ILECs.
ANOTHER aquisition it wont know what to do with in 6 months, I worked there over a year and saw them swallow up 3 companies, and tried to merge with Sprint. they have no substance, and Bernie is taking them to the cleaners
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Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
Rhythms here in Milwaukee is pretty great. They handled the Telocity part of the network here. When Rythms shut down 10SEP01, Telocity put everybody on a dialup while they switched the local carrier. What sgreat about this is that Rhythms never turned their equipment off I believe. It is now 26SEP01 and my SDSL is still working without hinge 16 days after shutdown. Northpoint I think actually turned their equipment off.
I certainly hope so. I work for a new DSL provider that's been busily snapping up the assets of failed providers, (Velocity being one of the larger ones) and taking advantage of the rock-bottom prices.