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Microsoft Du Jour - Talks, Upgrades, Salaries

Jeff writes: "CNN is reporting 'In a dramatic move, the new judge in the Microsoft case Friday ordered the government and the software maker into five weeks of intensive settlement talks, until Nov. 2.'" Other MS submissions coming in today: USAToday discovers the new upgrade scheme, designed to milk every last cent out of those who've locked themselves into Windows; tech-report.com goes a bit more in depth on the same subject; ZDNet hoists the black flag; MS discusses its plans to control how you compute (by the way, the license agreement for Windows Media Player now allows Microsoft to disable any software on your computer - you do read those license agreements, don't you?); Gates got $666,000 last year but won't have to apply for welfare just yet.

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  1. And for those who want to check that contract by JohnHegarty · · Score: 1, Informative

    SUPPLEMENTAL END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR MICROSOFT SOFTWARE ("Supplemental EULA")

    IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY - These Microsoft Corporation ("Microsoft") operating system components, including any "online" or electronic documentation ("OS Components") are subject to the terms and conditions of the agreement under which you have licensed the applicable Microsoft operating system product described below (each an "End User License Agreement" or "EULA") and the terms and conditions of this Supplemental EULA. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE OS COMPONENTS, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE APPLICABLE OPERATING SYSTEM PRODUCT EULA AND THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE OS COMPONENTS.

    NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALIDLY LICENSED COPY OF ANY VERSION OR EDITION OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98, MICROSOFT WINDOWS MILLENUM EDITION, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 2000 OPERATING SYSTEM OR ANY MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEM THAT IS A SUCCESSOR TO ANY OF THOSE OPERATING SYSTEMS (EACH AN "OS PRODUCT"), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA.

    Capitalized terms used in this Supplemental EULA and not otherwise defined herein shall have the meanings assigned to them in the applicable OS Product EULA.

    General. The OS Components are provided to you by Microsoft to update, supplement, or replace existing functionality of the applicable OS Product. Microsoft grants you a license to use the OS Components under the terms and conditions of the EULA for the applicable OS Product (which are hereby incorporated by reference, except as set forth below) and the terms and conditions set forth in this Supplemental EULA, provided that you comply with all such terms and conditions. To the extent that any terms in this Supplemental EULA conflict with terms in the applicable OS Product EULA, the terms of this Supplemental EULA control solely with respect to the OS Components.

    Additional Rights and Limitations.

    * Reproduction. If you have multiple validly licensed copies of the applicable OS Product, you may reproduce, install and use one copy of the OS Components as part of such OS Product on all of your computers running validly licensed copies of the applicable OS Product provided that you use such additional copies of the OS Components in accordance with the terms and conditions above. For each validly licensed copy of the applicable OS Product, you also may reproduce one additional copy of the OS Components solely for archival purposes or reinstallation of the OS Components on the same computer as the OS Components were previously installed. Microsoft retains all right, title and interest in and to the OS Components. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by Microsoft.

    * Digital Rights Management (Security). You agree that in order to protect the integrity of content and software protected by digital rights management ("Secure Content"), Microsoft may provide security related updates to the OS Components that will be automatically downloaded onto your computer. These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer. If we provide such a security update, we will use reasonable efforts to post notices on a web site explaining the update.

    IF THE APPLICABLE OS PRODUCT WAS LICENSED TO YOU BY MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, THE LIMITED WARRANTY (IF ANY) INCLUDED IN THE OS PRODUCT EULA APPLIES TO THE OS COMPONENTS PROVIDED THE OS COMPONENTS HAVE BEEN LICENSED BY YOU WITHIN THE TERM OF THE LIMITED WARRANTY IN THE OS PRODUCT EULA. HOWEVER, THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA DOES NOT EXTEND THE TIME PERIOD FOR WHICH THE LIMITED WARRANTY IS PROVIDED.

    IF THE APPLICABLE OS PRODUCT WAS LICENSED TO YOU BY AN ENTITY OTHER THAN MICROSOFT OR ANY OF ITS WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, MICROSOFT DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH RESPECT TO THE OS COMPONENTS AS FOLLOWS:

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    LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND REMEDIES. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY DAMAGES THAT YOU MIGHT INCUR FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ALL DAMAGES REFERENCED ABOVE AND ALL DIRECT OR GENERAL DAMAGES), THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF MICROSOFT AND ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS UNDER ANY PROVISION OF THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA AND YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ALL OF THE FOREGOING SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00. THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND DISCLAIMERS SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE.

  2. Is It Too Late? by robbyjo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Meanwhile the WinXP is already released in late Aug (from the announcement, at least) and go into the market by the end of October. Is it to late to settle at Nov 2? By the time, M$ has gotten a fresh new cash from the sales. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope DoJ is aware of this...

    Meanwhile, there is another article here.

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  3. Start here. by MongooseCN · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.habitat.org/getinv/

  4. Why the DOJ doesn't need to break up MSFT by Geoff · · Score: 5, Informative

    When the action against Microsoft first started, my thought was that it was typical -- the government was taking action after the time when it was most needed.

    It was my opinion then, and is still my opinion, that the market would take care of Microsoft, just like it had with IBM (the previous 800-lb gorilla of the computing world). The government could try to stop Microsoft, but the market would ultimately do a better job.

    Now we see statements like:

    "There are a lot of (angry) chief information officers out there," says Steven Steinbrecher, CIO for California's Contra Costa County. His 3-year costs will jump to $651 per desktop from $335.

    Q.E.D.

    In time (no, I have no idea how long), Microsoft will be just a player in a new computing world. I don't know what the new world will be, or who its biggest player will be. If I did, I'd be buying stock like crazy.

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    1. Re:Why the DOJ doesn't need to break up MSFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      huh? the government got medieval on IBM's ass... that's what broke their stranglehold - IBM were forced to document, openly, and in advance, every product, API and protocol they used, at their own (massive) expense.

      This opened the door for other hardware manufacturers, and later for a little upstart that everyone was cheering for called Microsoft...

    2. Re:Why the DOJ doesn't need to break up MSFT by andymac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, the government DID take care of IBM, not the market. IBM had 40+ years of very strict guidelines and regulations (these restrictions ended in April 97). Granted the gov't took their sweet-assed time getting around to it, but they did act and their actions drastically changed the landscape.

      Dammit, can't find the link now... but if I do, I'll post it...

      Not to say that the market might not take care of MSFT, but we are talking about a whole lot of sheep here...

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  5. Re:Now more then ever...Linux must be standardized by Flower · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't see security updates on the kernel every week. Unless I have had the urge I have never had to recompile the kernel on my linux box. Even to get things like XFS onto the box.

    I have had to reapply service packs numerous times because some program was reinstalled on the box which wiped out the updated dlls. Your gripe is outright false.

    As for making linux easy to use, that is happening. Just don't expect it tomorrow and don't expect people to suddenly jump off the MS train when it does. There is some serious inertia when it comes to migrating to a totally new platform. Macs are easy to use too, BeOS is easy to use. I didn't see either really competing against Windows.

    Widespread use of linux will be an evelutionary process. There will be no revolution.

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  6. I Know It's Redundant... by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...But just when are people going to realize they DO NOT have to put up with this BS? (Skip to the end for something that's not redundant.)

    I love how the ZD Net article is titled: "Time to stand up to Microsoft" (and right plop in the middle of the article is an advirtisement for "Windows Solutions"). It's utterly absurd.

    Linux and other free OS solutions are WITHOUT A DOUBT usable in a business setting. They are proven to be largley inexpensive, relatively easy to deploy, don't have seat/use restrictions, and show better performance records.

    Duh.

    I'm preaching to the choir here, but I think it's important to proliferate this message to as many people through as many channels as possible. CLEARLY, corporations who feed Microsoft are still uneducated that free software solutions aren't "low quality" just because they don't cost money.

    (Original thoughts follow.)

    What causes people and businesses to constantly whine about how much Windows sucks? Meanwhile, they constantly shell out the bucks to pay for new/more copies of it, all the while completely ignoring the free software alternatives. Do they think the situation is ever going to improve?

    I know it sounds rash, but it is not possible for any largely used, proprietary solution to "improve". Proprietary solutions involve one controlling body. It's a tyrrany, not a democracy (as people are complaining that Microsoft "does not listen"). ONLY free software will get better because it is not driven by greed and profit alone. Greed snowballs and gets bigger and poses more influence on the product. That's the Microsoft case.

    The longer they last, the more greedy they will become, the more money they will want to suck up. Unless there's no money there to consume, the beast will only get stronger and bolder.

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  7. Re:Or you can buy a Mac :p by JHromadka · · Score: 2, Informative
    Afaik, the only compatibility for windows formats (ie: MS Office formats, since Everyone Uses Word) on MacOS is MS Office for Mac. please correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't consider that an option.

    That is wrong. I use Appleworks 6.2 to edit Word & Excel files without any problems, plus on OS X I can safe files as PDFs, ensuring almost universal readability.

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  8. Gartner Symposium by hoegg · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://itx1001.cybercentral.com/itx1001/web/gues t/ Session.do?action=display&id=201

    If any of you are going to the Gartner thing in Florida next week, this seminar will give you way too much info on MS's new licensing.

  9. Re:your glut of faith disturbs me... by A+Big+Gnu+Thrush · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not that simple. What happens when MS refuses to license new editions of Word, Excel, on W2K? What if you want to open a new office and the only Windows computers come with XP?

    I'm at work typing on a Win95 computer, but the company that owns it pays a price: vendor software expects a certain standard, and right now Win95 can cut it, but eventually people will laugh the same way they'd laugh if it were Win 3.1.

    There's a price for falling behind the technology curve. You can skip an upgrade, or you can get off the boat altogether, but you can't stop.

    MS has to find the point where people will stay on the boat. Right now they seem to be pushing the limit, but I don't think they're even close. They're very good at this.

  10. Re:Nt 4.0 Option pack by pbur · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you search Google, you find this Microsoft page that allows you to sill download it all with one program. I just can't find the path to this page on the Microsoft site. I knew a full download was available before, so I had to find it.

    http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/ntoptionpack/a skwiz.asp

    It gives you download.exe and from there it automates the download.

    P.S. The link works, I don't know why /. keeps putting a space in the display text.

  11. The Real Micro$oft Story by dagnabit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Found this link in a ZDNet TalkBack forum, of all places. A down-and-dirty expose of the real truths (they claim) behind the entire Microsoft history. Includes a long list of everyone who's sued M$, etc. Very enlightening...