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W3C Considers Royalty-Bound Patents In Web Standards

Svartalf writes: "There's a report on Linux Today about a proposed loosening of requirements on patented technologies being submitted for W3C consideration. Called RAND, short for 'reasonable and non-discriminatory,' it basically changes the position of W3C with respects to patents. This is a real problem as all of you know, considering that we've had all kinds of fun with other 'reasonable' licensing (MP3 and GIF come immediately to mind) -- the cutoff for comments is tomorrow (9-30) so if you want to get them in do it NOW." September 30 is now today rather than tomorrow. The same issue was raised in a post yesterday as well, but many readers have submitted news of this Linux Today piece. Reader WhyDoubt points out that comments on the change are archived on the W3C's site, including this pithy comment from Alan Cox. Do you think that fee-bound patents have a place in the standards promulgated by the W3C? Read the Patent Policy Working Group's FAQ, then add your comment.

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  1. fee based stuff has no business being in standards by bryan1945 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    See above.

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  2. Bad for the W3C, bad for business, bad for users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Redundant
    "The W3C was created to lead the Web to its full potential by developing
    common protocols that promote its evolution and ensure its
    interoperability"

    A lofty and great goal. A pity that the W3C now proposes to throw away its
    very reason for existence.

    And now we have a new much abused patent politics buzzword

    "Non-discriminatory"

    Indeed.

    I think the W3C should ask itself how allowing parties to use patents to
    prevent community projects for blind access is "non-discriminatory".

    Tim Berners Lee created an innovative environment about sharing and
    referencing data. You plan to give large companies the power to stifle
    that innovation.

    It says something for the sad state of W3C that the proposal in question
    has been allowed to progress, carefully arranged not to be visible to
    the outside world. The dates of the short consultation period do not even
    appear to have been adjusted in the light of September 11th. The proposed
    shortening of the consultation period also appears to violate the W3C
    rules, but then I am sure you don't care. I can smell the rot from here.

    A patent-encumbered web threatens the very freedom of intellectual debate,
    allowing only large companies and big media houses to present information
    in certain ways. Imagine where the web would be now if only large companies
    were able to use image files.

    And large companies it is. I note the distinct lack of small companies on
    the proposal in question. Within the ISO where the same things happen the
    money simply moves in circles between big players. Accountants and lawyers
    pay $100,000 sums back and forth as part of an accounting game that they
    use to keep out smaller players.

    I think we can also be sure that the kind of W3C members working this
    little agenda have plans. I would bet on "Windows digitally-protected
    uncopyable web pages" being one of them. Of course the protection they
    really mean is "against reading by non IE users".

    The W3C must ask itself whether it plans to continue the vision of Tim or
    become another ITU, a bloated dinosaur that exists more as a corporate United
    Nations of communication than a standards body.

    If the W3C wishes to remain relevant to the people, to the small businesses
    (the other 80%) and to the future of the web then I strongly suggest that it

    Requires non-disclosed patents are freely licensed for use in that standard for all.

    Without this a key infrastructure standard may suddenely be "owned" by a W3C
    member who intentionally kept quiet to gain "non discriminatory" - but large -
    license fees. The current wording encourages patent abuse. Licensing on a
    RAND basis would only be appropriate for such a non-disclosed patent if
    existing RAND licenses were on that proposal before final consultantion.
    Regardless of the rest of the outcome all honest members will benefit from
    such a stricter policy on non-disclosure of patents.

    Does not "approve" or "recommend" or allow its logo to be used on any patent-encumbered item.

    To do so will tarnish the value and reputation of the W3C name and logo. It
    will also create confusion about what W3C standards indicate.

    Restricts its activities on patent-encumbered projects to providing a forum where such people can work on patent encumbered projects to be released under their own names only.

    Here its activities would be in a consultative role, helping to guide these
    bodies in areas of overall standards compliance and interpretation of W3C
    goals. It is possible to further the web standardisation goal without
    becoming part of those activities that are contrary to the original goals
    of the W3C.

    This would mean SVG became a multi-vendor consortium pushing a private
    specification. But let's face it - with the patents involved - that is
    precisely what it is. It may even be appropriate for SVG work to be
    transferred to the ITU.

    Finally we should all remember this. When patented W3C standards ensure
    there is only one web browser in the world, its owners will no longer
    have time for the W3C or standards.