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Five Years of KDE

Jacek Fedorynski writes: "Looks like KDE is five years old. Five years seems like a lot of time but just look how much they've achieved in this time." I think the hard part is just beginning - KDE has got all the basics down, and now they have to resist adding too much more crap.

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  1. Re:A great example of open-source at work. by mduell · · Score: 4, Troll

    Or, rather, to use the same 5 year timespan, in 5 years, Microsoft went from Windows 95 to WindowsXP. That is a huge leap in terms of stability and security (both up) and boot time (down).

  2. Re:A great example of open-source at work. by Starship+Trooper · · Score: 3, Troll

    Well, that's not exactly true. The Windows NT (from which XP hails) and WinDOS (3.1, 9x, ME) families were completely different operating systems, being worked on simultaneously. It would be more accurate to say they went from Windows NT 3.1 to XP, which is still impressive of course. But the Windows NT kernel was essentially just VMS force-fitted to DOS-style conventions. In fact, WNT = VMS with all the letters incremented. The "New Technology" line was force-fitted later for marketing :-)

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  3. Re:Congrats and thanks to KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

    "compared to a product like OSX"....

    Umm.. sorry, but no. KDE does not have

    1)proper Drag-n-Drop everywhere.
    2) integrated voice activation
    3) An easy way to script out application action (like AppleScript)
    4) XML for everything, and a VERY organized file structure (This is more of a linux thing).
    5) display pdf (or postscript) which makes making PDFs trvially easy
    6) for that matter, a 4th generation display engine
    7) A proper user interface (workflow reads like a page, except for tools that you "pick up" from teh bottom/dock)
    8) Lots of properly integrated apps
    9) A proper application structure that reduces clutter yet is more powerful than any current structure.
    9) A lot of other little things that OSX has in plentitude (miscellaneous coolnesses).

    yes, KDE and Linux can do a lot of things, and it can superficially LOOK like OSX, but let's not deceive ourselves that KDE is the end-all-be-all in GUI design. It is a far cry from what most professional users would call useable.

    OSX, too, has a long way to go to mature, but the ways in which it will mature are pretty obvious and very exciting (XML-RPC and SOAP integrated in AppleScript, AppleScriptable events in the GUI, more Voice integration, better integration of powerful UNIX tools, better keyboard integration, etc. etc.)

    Don't get me wrong, I like Linux, but after playing around with MacOSX 10.1, Linux has a LOOOONG way to go before it will best Apple's new OS.

    The BETTER comparison is Win2k or XP, where KDE is pretty much on par or better.

  4. praise and criticism by mj6798 · · Score: 3, Troll
    KDE is a great achievement, it works well, and it looks nice. But I'm still not using it, and I'm certainly not developing for it. Why?

    • C++ is deeply ingrained in the system; I don't believe that's where the future of application programming is going. I also believe that the use of C++ makes KDE slow and resource intensive.
    • A lot of KDE just duplicates existing functionality, but using the Qt toolkit and KDE libraries, all in the name of KDE integration. But often, the KDE equivalents are less functional.
    • KDE consumes huge amounts of resources and starts up lots of processes.
    • The KDE/Qt licenses (GPL/commercial) restrict my ability to create open source software (say, under BSD or LGPL licenses). I think the licenses are also harmful from the point of view of trying to attract more commercial developers to the Linux platform. Toolkits are a commodity these days, and they shouldn't be the major cost when choosing a platform.
    • KDE is replicating an old paradigm--the Windows desktop; I don't think that's where the industry is going.

    KDE has its place in the world--something for people who think Windows is easy to use and want a similar environment for Linux/UNIX. I'm not sure it can compete with Windows, because Windows isn't really about quality, it's about complete, detailed compatibility. But that's for others to decide.

    I just hope KDE won't become the predominant Linux/UNIX desktop. In fact, I hope no single desktop will become "predominant" on Linux/UNIX--the strength of Linux/UNIX has been its diversity and flexibility. And I hope the KDE developers are smart enough to realize that they can't produce something that satisfies everybody--that would be the same trap Microsoft has fallen into.

  5. KPaint by KewLinux · · Score: 0, Troll

    In regards to the alledged "crap" I can only agree. Apps like KPaint is not worthy of being in the standard base of KDE. In fact I can't believe someone would willingly have their name on the list of authors to that program. The program's a joke! When was the last time you saw a paintbrush that sprays in a square and not in a circle?!

    This is just an example of one of the crappy apps in KDE tha has to go.

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  6. Re:Gripe with Konqueror... by javabandit · · Score: 0, Troll

    Konqueror absolutely sucks. A lot of websites won't even render. Getting plugins to work is difficult to impossible for the regular user. Rendering speed is horrible.

    The only thing worse is Mozilla. Two horrid browsers.

    I'd love to see Internet Explorer on Linux. It might be an oxymoron to the purists, but it still is the best browser out there.