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HP Shows Off PA-8800 SMP-On-A-Chip CPU Plans

Eric^2 writes: "At last week's MicroProcessor Forum, HP's David J. C. Johnson unveiled the details of HP's latest RISC processor destined to redefine performance in Server-Class processors. Following a relatively simple strategy, the PA-8800 processor combines two PA-8700 cores on a single chip to enable symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) on a single processor. Aside from bumping the core speed up to an initial 1 GHz, enhancements include the addition of combined 35 MB L1+L2 cache. The article contains the full text. AMD, please steal an idea..."

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  1. And Get Sued? by tomblackwell · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    These companies tend to patent anything that will give them a competitive edge in the marketplace. "Stealing an idea" would probably get them into some legal hot water, just like stealing a TV, or your car.

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  3. 3 questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Do you work for apple? Are you 13? And if yes to the second question, are you female and nubile?

  4. HP PA-8800 integer numbers by Spootnik · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    PA-8800 lets you create two opposite predicates in one instruction, for example the predicate a=b.

    This seems to indicate that there are no separate "do this if predicate is true" and "do this if predicate is false" instructions, so for opposite predication you would have to specify two different predicates.

    The processor cannot know that these two predicates are related, so this would give you quite a problem.

    As has been publicly disclosed, in general in PA-8800, an instruction reading any resource (such as a predicate) must be in a later instruction group (cycle) than the instruction writing that resource. As a special case, branches are allowed to use a predicate written by another instruction in the same instruction group (as shown in the IDF slides).

    So, the straightforward (but slow) PA-8800 schedule for the earlier example:

    if (a < 0)
    b += a;
    else
    b -= a;
    c += b;
    d += b;


    would be:

    cmp.lt pLT, pNLT = a, 0 // pLT & pNLT are 2 complementary preds
    ;;
    (pLT) add b = b, a // add to b [then]
    (pNLT) sub b = b, a // or sub from b [else]
    ;;
    add c = c, b // uses of b
    add d = d, b
    ;;


    which takes 5 instructions in 3 cycles. (Note: In PA-8800 assembly, ";;" indicates the end of an instruction group, "=" separates the target operand(s) from the source(s), "//" begins a comment, and (pred) specifies the controlling predicate.)

    An alternate (faster) schedule in PA-8800 is as follows:

    sub bTmp = b, a // speculatively sub from b (into temp)
    add b = b, a // and add to b
    cmp.lt pLT, pNLT = a, 0
    ;;
    (pLT) add c = c, b // uses of b [then]
    (pLT) add d = d, b
    (pNLT) add c = c, bTmp // uses of b (temp) [else]
    (pNLT) add d = d, bTmp
    (pNLT) mov b = bTmp // move bTmp to b [else]
    ;;


    This takes 8 instructions in 2 cycles and one extra register. The final move of bTmp to b can be eliminated if b isn't live out at that point.

  5. Why is this at +3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    He's not even smart enough to be a truly funny troll, do the people who vote for this have so little sophistication that they consider this well disguised sarcasm?

  6. Re:asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Benevolent_spork is an asshole

  7. Did Gore Win?: From The Daily Telegraph in U.K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    from The Daily Telegraph

    You have to go the site and search on "Gore":

    Did Al Gore win after all? US newspapers
    would rather not say
    By Charles Laurence in New York
    (Filed: 21/10/2001)

    Did Al Gore win after all? US newspapers
    would rather not say
    By Charles Laurence in New York
    (Filed: 21/10/2001)

    THE most detailed analysis yet of the contested Florida
    votes from last year's presidential election - with the
    potential to question President Bush's legitimacy - is being
    withheld by the news organisations that commissioned it.
    Results of the inspection of more than 170,000 votes
    rejected as unreadable in the "hanging chad" chaos of last
    November's vote count were ready at the end of August.
    The study was commissioned early this year by a
    consortium including the Wall Street Journal, the
    Washington Post and the New York Times, the nation's
    most powerful newspapers, and the broadcaster CNN.
    It was regarded as a means of supplying final answers to
    the nagging questions over President Bush's razor-thin
    victory margin. The cost was more than ú700,000.
    Now, however, spokesmen for the consortium say that
    they decided to "postpone" the story of the analysis by
    the National Opinion Research Centre (NORC) at the
    University of Chicago for lack of resources and lack of
    interest in the face of the enormous story of the
    September 11 attacks and the subsequent "war on
    terrorism".
    Newspapers were saying last week that the final phase of
    the analysis, the actual counting of the 170,000 votes,
    had been "postponed" but would become known at an
    appropriate time.
    America's liberal newspaper establishment originally set
    up the commission in the belief that it would discover that
    Al Gore was the winner of the Florida count.
    Their hope for a Gore victory appears to have been
    sacrificed on the altar of patriotism and a perception that
    America needs to be led into war by a strong president.
    "Our belief is that the priorities of the country have
    changed, and our priorities have changed," said Steven
    Goldstein, the vice-president of corporate communications
    at Dow Jones and Co, the owners of the Wall Street
    Journal.
    Catherine Mathis, a spokesman for the New York Times,
    said: "The consortium agreed that because of the war,
    because of our lack of resources, we were postponing the
    vote-count investigation. But this is not final. The intention
    is to go forward."
    However David Podvin, an investigative journalist who
    runs an independent web page, Make Them Accountable,
    said he had been tipped off that the consortium was
    covering up the results.
    He refused to disclose his source other than to describe
    him as a former media executive whom he knew "as an
    accurate conduit of information" and who claimed that the
    consortium "is deliberately hiding the results of its recount
    because Gore was the indisputable winner".
    He also claims that a New York Times journalist who was
    involved in the recount project had told "a former
    companion" that the Gore victory margin was big enough
    to create "major trouble for the Bush presidency if this
    ever gets out".

  8. Don Rumsfeld licked Anthrax spores from my asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Yes, that's right. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld helped me out by licking some of those pesky Anthrax spores out of my rectum so I didn't get any cutaneous hemhorroids.

    Then afterwords we sat around and watched TV, he was really pissed off that someone leaked to the press about the ground invasion over the weekend. Then he licked my asshole again just to make sure.

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