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DMCA Forces Cox To Censor Changelog?

Ross Vandegrift writes: "Alan Cox released 2.2.20pre10 today, which includes security fixes. He is refusing to indicate what security holes have been fixed, as Unix-style permissions could be used as an anti-circumvention device. The thread starts here. " It'd be great if people could read the threads here and try to figure out what is going on. I'm a little lost, but it looks like he's being overzealous.

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  1. Thefreeworld.net Re:Overzealous, eh? by Rik+van+Riel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Indeed, the US outlawing something is one thing. That's their business, if it turns out to hurt them too much they can always revert the law. It's a democratic country, isn't it ?

    OTOH, the US outlawing something shouldn't mean that all these good things are suddenly no longer available to the rest of the world. We need a place to publish the things which are outlawed in the US, without getting prosecuted for publishing these things to the US.

    Such a site has been started (well, not quite, but we're busy getting it up and running) and we hope there will soon be a place to publish crypto research, security information and other useful tools which are not allowed in the US. The only small gotcha is that in order to publish it legally, some kind of access controll will have to be put in place so US citizens cannot get at the archive. Unfortunate, but so be it.

    The site? http://thefreeworld.net/

  2. Re:Using the Linux community as pawns by gorilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is Dmitri not a legitimate programmer? I think he is. Dmtitri writes programs which are legal in his country. He has never written a program in the US which violates US law. What other test of legitimate is there?

  3. Re:Using the Linux community as pawns by Kaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alan needs to realize that, although the DMCA does have important and evil implications for the freedom to code and speak in the U.S., it would not be used against a legitimate programmer such as himself. The people who have been targeted by the DMCA have been crackers: people who defeat lame encryption schemes and distribute point-and-click software that allows the masses to pirate. Although I fully support 2600 and Dmitri in their efforts (I have been a security engineer and I appreciate the truly talented invididuals in the field), DeCSS and the PDF utility are simply not in the same class as the Linux kernel and the other software Cox has worked on. He is simply a non-target and he needs to stop pretending that the DMCA affects him.

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    and I didn't speak up,
    because I wasn't a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up,
    because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me.

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  4. Re:Using the Linux community as pawns by antientropic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it would not be used against a legitimate programmer such as himself

    While it is unlikely that Alan would be arrested for fixing security bugs in the Linux kernel, he is quite right in saying that under the letter of the law, he might be. Even if you merely can be arrested for such an activity, then the DMCA is a bad law and must be repealed, or at least modified very substantially. So Alan should be applauded for taking a stand, even if (or exactly because!) that inconveniences some people temporarily.

  5. Re:Thefreeworld.net Re:Overzealous, eh? by larien · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You gotta love the irony of a site being called "The free world" excluding US, the so-called "land of the free".

    As Bill Hicks said, "You are free... to do as we tell you". Right now, it seems that US "freedom" means the freedom to bribe (sorry, to fund...) senators et al to get your pet bills passed.

  6. Civil Obedience by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine a law so stupid that civil obedience becomes an efficient way to fighting it...

  7. Re:Using the Linux community as pawns by CmdrTroll · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Then I guess the moral of the story is, "don't live in America." Think about it:

    • You can be stopped, searched, and arrested anytime you're in public if a police officer doesn't like the way you look. If you're lucky, your case will get thrown out or the cop will be nice. Cops have the right to tear your car apart looking for drugs, and not pay for damage if they don't find any.
    • Civil forfeiture means that if you break any of the millions of anal, petty laws in the U.S., you can lose your house, your car, or any other property you own. Watch the first 20 minutes of Traffic to see how it works.
    • Software and media piracy can land you in prison for five years and subject you to up to $250,000 in fines, per violation. (Naturally this bill was signed by our Democratic friend, Bill Clinton). It's a steep penalty for something so trivial.
    • "Disorderly conduct" is a catch-all crime which can be used to arrest people for a reason of the officer's choosing. Ask any minority about it and you're certain to hear a few stories.
    • Many forms of sexual activity (such as oral or anal sex) are banned in several states. Most people in the country (besides the Slashdot crowd) are guilty of one or more of these offenses.
    • It is widely known that most powerful politicians can trigger an IRS audit on their political enemies.
    • The ATA has made it legal for authorities to detain foreign nationals indefinitely, without presenting evidence of a crime or making a formal arrest.

    The DMCA is only one of the many laws which make the USA into a police state. AC's intentions are good but he's got a lot more battles in front of him before the U.S. can be considered safe from authority abuse.

    -CT

  8. Things to realise about Alan Cox by pubjames · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Firstly, he's a Brit. They have a sense of humour which is sometimes very subtle and is usually based on 'irony' (as in the saying something different to what you mean, rather than the more American 'Alanis Morissette' use of the word). Some Americans take ironic statements at face value, as is often seen on Slashdot.

    Secondly, he's a clever guy. He's being stubborn about this to make a point. If he wasn't stubborn about it, the point wouldn't be made. He is acting correctly according to an unjust law to highlight the danger of it.

    He is not being 'dumb' or deliberately annoying, he's highlighting the potential effects of a worrying development in the American legal which could have significant negative impact on all Open Source software developers.

  9. Disgusted to be an American by haplo21112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to be proud to be a Citizen of US. But it seems everyday that the "land of the Free" becomes a little less free. This is beginning to reach insane proportions. Everyday we seem to pass more and more laws that are seemingly(to me anyway) directly in conflict with Our Constitution. Our politicans don't listen to us anymore. I am disgusted...and angry...so much so i can't even think of words to express my rage at what is being done to this great nation. Our laws were ment to protect our citizens, and ensure the right to "life, liberty and the persuit of happiness" I feel as if I have none of these lately.

    --"The refuses to bend, he refuses to fall, he's always at home with his back to the wall" --Bill Joel- Angry Young Man.

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    1. Re:Disgusted to be an American by cluge · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You can go live in the UK and get your nice unhappy face photographed a thousand times a day. You could go live in the UK where certain books are banned because ??(Add inane reason here). You can go live in the UK where the ability to protect yourself with a firearm has been taken away by the good Government.


      Every country (and I've been to quite a few) has limitations on peoples freedom somehow. As a modern society we are fast approaching big brother if we aren't careful (UK has had big brother for a while hasn't it?).


      Instead of being "Disgusted" perhaps you should pay an attorney to help "wage the war". You know we still have the ability to change the law and it has yet to be constitutionally tested. With all the "open source" companies out there I'm suprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit for damages to the "open source product" caused by the RIAA.


      Oh yeah, and next time there is an election, vote.

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  10. Re:Reason behind this. by mpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the REST of the world must suffer because some american law (which has no jurisdiction OUTSIDE america) exists?

    They harrassed an Norwegian, kidnapped a Russian over this law. A good reason for the rest of the world to take notice...