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Mozilla Bug Week

Gerv writes: "Do you run Mozilla? Is there something about Mozilla that bugs you? Do you have an itch you want to scratch? From Saturday October 27th to Sunday November 4th, mozilla.org will be running a "Bug Week". Experienced Mozilla hackers will be available to help anyone who wants to get involved with the Mozilla code. Engineers from companies using Mozilla or Mozilla technologies, interested onlookers, and those who are involved with the project, but have never hacked on the code, are all welcome to come along and get their feet wet."

Gerv continues:

"You'll be shown round our world-class web-based tools (Bugzilla, Bonsai, Tinderbox, LXR), and led through all the steps between discovering a problem and having your patch checked in to the Mozilla source tree. After checkin, those fixes and features will be appreciated by an audience of millions in Mozilla derivative products.

Not Just For Hardcore Hackers

"Mozilla's user interface is written in web technologies - defined in XUL (XML-based User-interface Language), animated with JavaScript and styled with Cascading Style Sheets. This means it can be understood, and hacked on, by anyone who understands HTML/XML, JS and Style Sheets. mozilla.org has recently developed technology to allow fixes to be made to Mozilla's UI without the need to compile Mozilla - all you need is a self-installing nightly build. This widens the field of potential contributors to everyone who's ever made a decent web page.

"So, if you have thought about getting involved in a free software project, but it all seemed to complicated or difficult, here's your chance.

"On the other hand, if you want to check the entire source tree out from CVS, compile the embedding test harness, and go into deep hack mode on Mozilla's C++ core, we'll help you do that too.

"Bug Week will be happening on IRC. Mozilla's nightly builds even include a chat client, ChatZilla, to make it even easier to participate. Look for people whose nicks begin with "BW_". We hope to have people there most of the time, although the help may be concentrated when the US West Coast or Europe is awake."

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  1. Bugzilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rather than just ranting and raving about your pet peeve, you should rant, rave AND enter it into Bugzilla (after ascertaining that it isn't already in there).

    Subnote: Don't directly link to individual bugs in slashdot comments. It causes spam when people add ME TOOs as comments.

    (Hey, mod this anonymous bugzilla pointer post up, not the various karma whores to follow.)

  2. This should be obvious but ... by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    shouldn't the mozilla bugs be discussed in the Moz chat area, etc.? (noting some of the earlier comments)

    yaking about them here on Slashdot is not going to help get them fixed any faster. At least go to the right forum, or write up the bug.

    it is very easy to chew the fat about a problem, and then not do anything to fix the issue. Which seems to be par for the course.

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  3. Re:Major Roadblock to using Mozilla by SCHecklerX · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Try this

    Individual apps don't NEED a friggin' spell checker. They should hook into the stuff already on your system. That said, the solution in the link above allows you to simply hilight the stuff you want to check and checks it (if your windowmanager is smart enough to give you the ability to see what is in your X selection)

  4. Re:BUG: The red dinosaur by Professor+J+Frink · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ya a couple crusty eurotrash "coderz" contributed some bloat to the project, but let's be realistic, 90% of the developers are the crappy low skill AOL employees that got the unfortunate task of trying to make something useable out of the crusty old netscape code.

    Mozilla is not based on the ''crusty old netscape code''. They tried that. They didn't get very far. Mozilla is, afaik, a pretty much complete rewrite from scratch. One of many legitimate reasons it's taken so long to get to the very useable state it is in now.

    Mozilla is a very competent and capable browser. About the best available for non-Windows users and plenty of those like it too. It costs you nothing. It's totally open for anyone to do what they want with it. Why do so many people have a problem with this? If you don't like it, don't use it.

    It's taken a long time coming, sure, but so was Win2K. At least you've been able to use Mozilla all the time it's been developed. I jumped on board around 0.9 after trying out the earlier versions and not being overly impressed. It's now on all my machines and my users are very happy with it.

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  5. Good idea by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is, essentially, a good idea.

    The biggest problem I have with Open Source software is that there is this myth that because something is open, anyone can fix bugs and contribute updates.

    Well yes they can. But the problem stems from the lead time required to get the know the project, how it works, what does what and how different functions interact with each other.

    Some examples. One of the companies I used to work for (a large IT consultancy company) I worked on a telemetry project. For every person who joined that project, there was a lead time of about three months for them to get used to, understand and know how the system works.

    Okay, so that was one massive project and with people working full time on it, but Mozilla and other open source projects aren't exactly small either.

    Another example. I wrote a GPL perl script called AvantSlash to take the content of Slashdot and process it for handhelds (since Slashdot's own isn't very good). Unfortunately due to a bug and an overdependence on AvantGo's caching, it accidenly spammed the slashdot site and got its IP barred. (This was in the 1.x thread, v2.0 doesn't suffer this problem).

    A comment by Jamie a couple of days ago mentioned why it was banned and suggested that I contribute to slashcode.

    Whilst this, in theory, is a great idea, as it would seem to be common with open source coders he unfortunately forgot that there would be several months of lead time whilst I learn how the code works, what does what and why and then, once I knew the system well, actually apply a well written patch.

    Don't get me wrong, I love open source and the stuff it produces and I have a lot of respect for anyone who spends their time doing such stuff.

    However, I'm just pointing out that there is a common myth amongst people in massive open source projects that people can just download, install and then immediately start dipping into the code and producing patches without having to go through the whole learning process.

    So, back to Mozilla. Anything which speeds up this lead time has got to be a good thing and will have the added advantage of getting more people interested in the whole project.

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  6. Re:Educated people don't need spelling checkers. by tim_maroney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you habitually misspell words in your e-mail messages, the problem is likely to lie with your education rather than the software. Inclusion of software crutches for a wetware problem only makes the latter worse.

    Utter nonsense. Typographical errors are a fact of life, especially for those of us with some degree of wrist problem. I was third in my state in the national spelling bee in the eighth grade and yet I thank the gods daily for the passive spelling checker in Outlook Express, which saves me from the errors of my aging eyes and hands. I only wish Explorer had the same capability in text areas.

    Yours is more of the "blame the user" philosophy that is endemic to the UNIX world. Errors happen. Humans are fallible. Software should try to prevent them and help you correct them, not laugh at you for making them.

    Tim