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Slashback: Drives, Pods, OEMs

Slashback tonight with a look at Microsoft's OEM practices, the true nature and size of the Apple iPod, IBM drives (and hard drives in general), and the RIAA's alleged lobbying efforts for a license to invade machines looking for copyright infringement. All below, all now.

Drive-n to strong drink and harsh words. Kenneth Yu writes: "You might recall the overwhelming response to a recent 'Ask Slashdot' regarding the abnormally high failure rates of IBM 75GXP Hard drives, and the pulling of all 75GXP from Pair Networks' Servers. A class action lawsuit has been filed by Michael Granido, Jr., on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated. You can view the complaint in PDF format at http://www.sheller.com/IBM_complaint.pdf. This story was initially reported by Tech Report (http://www.tech-report.com)."

Apropos that, jriskin writes: "Storagereview.com has its new reliability database up and running. I have no affiliation with the site, but it only benifits the community to have as many people contribute as possible. The database is a listing of hard drives and whether or not they have failed, when they were purchased, etc. So get over there and put in all your HD data!" Things like this could help eliminate the anecdotal-only nature of many of hardware complaints, especially if people who are happy with their hardware bother to report it.

Falling far from a tree has nothing to do with it. Majik writes "A quick correction - the iPod has *10* gigs of storage, not 5 (or 6 like the Nomad). And with the Firewire interface you can move an entire CD in under a minute. Although I admit I was hoping for more out of the product announcement, it's still pretty darn cool ... "

On the other hand, jchristopher writes: "Love it or hate it, Apple's new iPod digital music player is here. Yesterday, many people commented that "at least it has no copy protection" and praised Apple's attitude toward digital music. Unfortunately, this may not be the case - according to this New York Times article, the iPod does indeed have copy protection - MP3 files copied to the iPod from one Mac to the iPod CAN'T be offloaded onto a different computer. Ouch!" That means (at least without further hacking) it can't be used as a transfer medium between the G3 and work and the iMac kept hidden in your darkest closet, which is sort of a shame considering that it has all the right things built in to be even better than the several portable firewire drives on the market.

Unorginal Equipment Makers. An Anonymous Coward writes: "This is a follow-up on a previous story posted to Slashdot about Microsoft's anti-competitive OEM contracts." It's a report by German journalist Erik Möller (hi, Erik!), who too an extremely thorough look at the details of OEM bundling deals, and what they mean to customers. Möller's conclusion: "No operating system will ever be able to compete with Microsoft Windows on the desktop market as long as OEMs cannot legally install it besides Windows without losing their license."

'Technical meaures' covers a pretty broad swath. Robotech_Master writes "The RIAA has responded to the 'license to virus' story, calling it a false Internet rumor and explaining their side of the story." So the RIAA officially does not want a license to hack, at least on paper.

16 of 392 comments (clear)

  1. iPod does *not* have 10 gigs by Dahan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where'd you get that from? Look at the specs: 5GB hard disk drive.

    1. Re:iPod does *not* have 10 gigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      My message to timothy:

      Please check facts first. Neither iPod story is correct. The iPod has 5 GB of storage as has been widely reported and is the number given on the Apple site. The iPod does not have copy protection of the sort mentioned by jchristopher. The manual mode does allow MP3's to be moved back and forth between different Macintoshes. The two auto-sync modes only allow one way Mac-to-Pod movement of music. But since the manual mode is there, you can do what jchristopher says you cannot. One thing that will have to be hacked is the FireWire disk mode, since it store hard drive data separately from music files. The music function of the iPod will not play separate hard drive files (out of the box) even if they are music files -- hacking will be required. The other area which will need some pronto hacking is to allow MP3 exchange over the FireWire cable between iPods, as this is not a built-in feature (so far as the faqs tell us). Please correct the 10 Gig oversight.

  2. 10 Gigs? by gorsh · · Score: 3, Informative

    From Apple's iPod Web page:

    "Small though it is, iPod has a hefty 5GB hard disk drive."

  3. Uh, no..... by imadork · · Score: 3, Informative
    It has only 5 gigs, according to the Spec sheet. Of course, perhaps that's wrong...

    As for transfering files, it is my understanding that in Idiot Mode (which Apple calls Default Mode), the iPod can only synch with one primary computer at a time. you can operate the device from within iTunes in non-idiot mode, which gives you more flexability.

  4. Can't transfer MP3s? by Lally+Singh · · Score: 4, Informative
    That isn't completely true


    What the iPod does is mirror the macintosh it's connected to. What that means is that if it's got the mp3s from one mac, they'll get overridden with the mp3s from the next mac you sync with.


    However, if you use the iPod as a firewire disk, then you can copy files back & forth (including mp3s that you can play) with glee. They just wanted the RIAA off of their back, so now you have to (gasp) click and drag your files in order to copy them.. It's called "manually copying" the files...

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  5. Is that an iPod in your pocket... by ekrout · · Score: 3, Informative

    or are you just happy to see me? ;-)

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  6. iPod CAN be used as transfer medium by wizbit · · Score: 2, Informative

    That means (at least without further hacking) it can't be used as a transfer medium between the G3 and work and the iMac kept hidden in your darkest closet, which is sort of a shame considering that it has all the right things built in to be even better than the several portable firewire drives on the market.

    Apple has said explicitly that you could use this 5GB (yes, FIVE gigabyte, not ten) as a storage medium. Presumably the storage of MP3s would be restricted to interfacing with only one unique copy of iTunes. But that's no problem, just zip up (or use the excellent DropStuff, free utility from Aladdin for windows and mac) those MP3s and transfer the files that way. Sure, you won't compress them much, but you can route that silly protection.

    Note that in product demos of the beast, the iPod shows up as a FIREWIRE DISK ON THE DESKTOP. I see no problems with transferring MP3s, just be a little craftier. Sheesh. Hardly any hacking required.

  7. Two pieces of misinformation about iPod by dhovis · · Score: 2, Informative
    Apple's iPod product page says "ultra slim 5GB hard drive". I think that is perfectly clear.

    As far as the copy protection goes, it is really not draconian. If you sync your iPod with iTunes, iTunes will overwrite all songs on the iPod that you don't have on your copy of iTunes. However, you can manually copy music files from the iPod to any Mac. The Register has more info. They actually got to play around with one.

    It does come wrapped in plastic that says "don't steal music" in 4 languages.

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  8. OEMs by Eloquence · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hi Timothy ;-),

    thanks for posting the link. I can't say that my short report was really "thorough", since much of it is quotes from Hacker and Gassee, but that's partly because of its subject. Since the kind of OEM deals it discusses are certainly not frequent (and possibly organized in a clever contractual hierarchy), it is quite easy to cover them up.

    But I think the evidence for their existence was already overwhelming before my own search (you don't have the CEO of a major competitor making such factual claims if there's nothing behind them), and at the point where one manufacturer told me quite straight-forwardly "Yes, we can't create dual-boot machines under our OEM contract, but please don't quote me on that" I decided to do what is called a cut in Prolog and not investigate further. It is really up to the anti-trust authorities now to subpoena these contracts and to then examine them in detail. If I am not mistaken, this was already done by the US regarding the "modification of icons on the desktop" question.

    Interesting: In the K5 article, there were quite a few vocal Microsoft supporters who argued that this is a non-issue, either because the contracts don't exist or because they are not relevant -- in the attached poll, however, ~85% said that the OEM pratice should be investigated and quite possibly forbidden. So the silent majority seems to agree that this is a major issue.

    Don't be fooled into passivity by a vocal minority: If you agree it's an issue, do something about it -- fax or write the EC in support of my report, or e-mail your own legislators (wherever you are, this seems to be an issue everywhere). Don't let MS get away with this.

    Thanks,
    Erik

  9. iPod "Copy Protection" correction by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, Slashdot gets it wrong on the iPod again. Here's the deal, as can be found on MacFixIt. The iPod has two basic modes, the automatic music management system that syncs with iTunes, and a more manual sort of management method. It will only auto-sync with one "setup" of iTunes, meaning that you can't go to another computer and have it automatically copy all the music that the iPod has but the HD doesn't to the computer. However, you can manually transfer music files back and forth between the iPod and any compatible computer. This all, of course, totally ignores the other major functionality of the device as a plain-jane Firewire HD, which can be used to copy whatever you want between computers.

  10. *More* Misinformation?!? by localman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Aw Jeez.

    The iPod has 5 GB of storage.

    It also does not have any copy protection, but it won't auto-sync between two machines, you have to do it manually (just drag & drop the files).

    Hope that clears things up just a little.

  11. Re:10 Gigs? 10^9 vs 2^30, or the missing 70MB by jerde · · Score: 2, Informative
    Oh, come on. Apple doesn't advertize hard drive sizes any differently than anyone else in the industry.

    All hard drive manufacturers use the proper SI/metric meaning for mega and giga, i.e. 10^6 and 10^9. Why? Because it's not technically a lie, and it makes the drives look bigger.

    Computer UIs, however, usually present to the user the CS definition for mega and giga, i.e. 2^20 and 2^30.

    The capacity of the iPod is 4.6GB, 4.6*2^30 bytes, which is 5 billion bytes.

    You can see this in Apple's user-interface preview of the thing -- click on the "About iPod" button.

    Or for quicktime-less folks, a GIF of the relevant screenshot.

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  12. Read On... Very Cool iPod/FireWire Possibilities.. by ijx · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the PDF FAQ linked above:

    Q. Can I use FireWire mode with noncomputer products? A. Yes. First you will need to reset your iPod. When the Apple logo appears on the screen, hold down the Previous/Rewind button and the Next/Fast-forward button simultaneously until the FireWire icon appears. When you finish using iPod in this "forced" FireWire mode, disconnect and reset it again before normal operation.

    Now this is interesting... If I'm reading this correctly (and I'm pretty damn sure I am), this means that I could, for example, shoot some footage with my trusty Firewire-capable DV camcorder, and upload all that data to the iPod... While I assume that this would result in the loss of some or all of my MP3's and other files on the iPod's HD, this would mean that one could use the iPod in lieu of additional DV tapes, or (more logically), as a backup for said footage.

    The iPod obviously wasn't designed to lock out other possibilities for use... It just has specialized functionality for use with other Apple products. My other Apple products.

  13. iPod copy protection & random thoughts by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok, here is my reading between the lines of their FAQ.

    When iTunes puts mp3 files on the drive it does something wicked and secret to them so that:

    1. Only files so encoded will be playable by the internal firmware.

    2. Said files are invisible when the drive is viewed in Firewire mode.

    So yes, you can use it to transport mp3 files, but it isn't practical. What they had to prevent, to keep the RIAA from sueing their butts off, was the nightmare scenario where everyone buys one and plugs them into each other's machines, instantly exchanging music libraries with each other. If you thought Napster over DSL was bad, try FireWire speeds.
    They also don't want PC or Linux folk to be able to use their products. In their way they are as bad as M$, you either buy into the Mac way or they don't want you touching any of their toys.

    Since it IS just a FireWire drive with an onboard computer though, it WILL be hacked. If it doesn't get a Linux port it darn sure will get one of the BSD's within a year. After all it is a computer with 5GB of drive, 32MB of RAM, a usable display and some input devices with a FireWire port to talk to the outside world.

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    1. Re:iPod copy protection & random thoughts by 90XDoubleSide · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is incorrect. There is no copyright protection whatsoever on the files. What the FAQ says is that when you plug an iPod into a Mac, it only automatically updates the songs on the iPod to reflect those on the computer, not the other way around.

      If you select Manual Mode you can drag files from the MP3 player to iTunes to copy them onto another computer. iTunes makes no attempt to stop you. At all. It just doesn't automatically copy everything on the MP3 player to the computer every time you plug it in like it does the other way round.

      Here is what it says (my emphasis):

      Q. How do I transfer music between iTunes and iPod?
      A. iPod offers three ways to transfer music from your iTunes 2 music library. You can select one of the following update modes from the iPod Preferences menu in iTunes:
      - Update all music automatically. This is the default mode, in which iTunes copies your entire music library, including playlists, to iPod when you connect it to your Mac and deletes songson iPod that are not listed in iTunes. If your iTunes library exceeds the iPod storage capacity, it prompts you to select a different update method.
      - Update selected playlists. With this option, iTunes automatically copies selected playlists to iPod whenever you connect to your Mac, and the songs on iPod that are not in the selected iTunes playlists are deleted.
      - Update manually. You can also choose to transfer music to iPod manually. This enables you to drag and drop songs and playlists between iTunes and iPod, transferring music from one place to the other.

      And later in the FAQ:

      To transfer music between yourcomputers, or to add songs to iPod from both systems, you can selectively drag and drop songs, albums, or playlists between iPod and either computer using the manual update mode.

      So, to recap there is no modification of the files or any attempt to stop you from copying them, but the default configuration is intended for a single-computer use where you just want the iPod to mirror the collection on your hard disk. You do not need to put the files on using the finder or change their extension or archive them, or perform any other fabricated ritual.

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  14. iPod Easter Egg!!! Breakout Game!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    First hand account of the iPod:

    http://www.macaddict.com/cgi-bin/storypage.cgi?sto ryid=1004046897,20517,

    From the article:

    " Breakout!: I'm pretty sure I'm the first one who found this, even though I found it by accident. If you select "About" from the main menu, then hold the center button for a couple seconds, a mini breakout game appears on the screen. That's what I call an easter egg!"

    This probably means you could do a lot more with this than first appears.