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Civilization III Is Out, And It Rocks

ruebarb writes "At 5pm last night, I proceeded to unwrap my shrinkwrapped Civization III box (purchased at EB) - I had spent the last two weeks broke and playing the old Civ II just for entertainment, so I've got the experience of that fresh in my memory. I went to bed at 3am 8 hours later...yikes." I've attached his review below - I've been playing it, and it is amazing. Not a revolutionary change, but definitely a big evolutionary change. First off, this game is a major change in structure and feel to the Civ. series. Quite honestly, this is probably a good thing. All too often, updates or sequels to a game system are one or two more bells and whistles that justify a $49.95 price tag. Civilization II was such a flexible system to begin with. Dozens of websites with hacks, special units, mods, and changes created a game system that could pretty much be changed into any type of game out there. (I even saw things like X-Com mods where you were soldiers fighting X-Com Aliens) In order for this to maintain it's consistant high level of quality, some changes were required at the fundmental level.

Your cities with the cultural borders now work a lot more like an actual country, and not just a collection of city states. This is nice...I was always less then impressed with having cities and colonies scattered across the globe with no detrimental value. The changes to the Trade system require networks of highways and roads/harbors to cultivate commerce, so it's in your best interestes to keep those things close together...Finally, we're dealing with an entire culture instead of just city-states. And if you're a real monster, you can use the gigantic maps and pull up all 16 civilizations.

Armies can be more decentralized, and wonders of the world are useful, but there are fewer "Killer" wonders that can completely upset the balance of the game. For example, in the previous game, The Sistine Chapel created a cathedral in every city, which made it a prime target for large civilizations...now the advancement simply increases the effects of cathedrals, which forces each city to get off it's butt and develop it's own resources.

Espionage and Trade have been abstracted. Trade and Commerce are now dependant on roads and resources and money comes from trading with other civilizations. And no more of that horribly unrealistic plan of sending the spy in to destroy city walls before the invasion. (I mean, come on...destroy city walls?)

My favorite new aspect is the cultural assimilation of other cities. For example, if you have a strong cultural identity (basically, borders) - and you are close to cities that don't...they may rebel and join your side...much in the way that several cities/territories that once belonged to Mexico joined up with the U.S.

I haven't finished a game yet...I made the mistake of getting my spies busted one too many times...First one country declared war on me...then I attacked and a second one with a Mutual Aggression Pact came at me. Then a couple of them started trade embargos against me, then a couple of turns later the other two guys around me declared war, just like Russia and Germany did with Poland. I got beat up pretty bad and chalked it up to a learning experience...

I have a couple of minor issues....most of the menus are relocated and are kinda hard to find. And I never liked those advisors in the first couple of games..and now they're intergrated...but overall, it's been a long time since I've been pleased with a game like this...This is the game you feel like telling the /. community is worth buying a copy of Win98 for.

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  1. And so does... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Calculus! Man, I love derivatives! And integration gets me aroused!

  2. FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    shout out to Heather!

  3. ugh! windoze! by Cap'n+Fishy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    will it run under WINE...that's what I want to know

  4. LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Is this game for LINUX? I only use LINUX. I wish everybody used LINUX.

    1. Re:LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread yet... congrats

    2. Re:LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You need to go out and buy a copy of Civ III Limited Edition so that Hemos can get paid his commission for pushing it on SlashDot.

      This will please the Dark Lord of Linux (N.B.: that's not Hemos) and he will smile upon you and all your kernels will compile.

  5. LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I am having problems compiling my kernel. Can you help?

  6. Re:Let me get this straight... by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ou heard the president right? Get back to normal life. This is normal life in America. This just shows you how insular our lives have become. Even though the events of 9/11 were a tragedy on a grand scale they still don't come to affect a lot of people. Yes, the items posted on this site a lot of times don't mean diddly squat in life but that applied as much before 9/11 as as it does now.

  7. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A-Ha wrote a song called "Manhattan Skyline." Clearly, they must be agents of Osama Bin Laden, the new satan.

    Someone wake me up when the War On Islam is over.

  8. Re:Let me get this straight... by HCase · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wouldn't spending our time angry, unhappy, and mourning show that the terrorist did win? At some point one needs to move on with their life. If spending your days "watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies" is how someone wants to spend their time, then there is no problem. Should we run around mad and unhappy forever? No one here is forgetting about what happened, but many of us refuse to let the attacks control us forever. You're right, games, legos, and a lack of nerf wars at work aren't incredibly important on a world-wide scheme, but time keeps moving and the "little" things in our lives do pop up. This is news for nerds, if you want to see more news for the masses go to a different news site. We visit them, so can you.

  9. Re:Nothing is worth getting back to win98 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Bullshit" has two L's.

    Pseudo-intellectual one-up-man-ship is fun.

  10. Re:bonuses for certain combat units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    No, man, it's all about race.

  11. Re:What I'd really like to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    BUT LUNIX IS C00L!!!!!11

  12. Re:5 pm - 3 am and 8 hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why a troll?

    I thought this was a lot calmer and more concise than any of the other posts that point out Hemos' dyscalculia.

  13. Re:Civ III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Does your friend ever go outside?

  14. Re:Why the hell is this modded as "Troll" ?!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Shut your pie-hole, you dirty Troll.

  15. Re:Cultural assimilation - art imitates life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    But... without Borders... where would I buy all my Information Society CDs?

  16. Re:Racism by humantraffic · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Rubbish. I've ordered it off Amazon a couple of weeks ago for delivery to the UK.

  17. Re:Difficulty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Cogito sum ergo

    I think I am therefore?

  18. Re:What I'd really like to know... by yatest5 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Bye bye karma!

    This is exactly why this site blows - this comment is not 'interesting' - it is exactly the kind of obvious no-mark comment that any of the linux-obsessed windows-blind pricks who frequent and ruin this site could have posted.

    So mod me down motherfucker, and maybe you'll get some pussy one day, you sad nerdy geeks.

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    • Mod parent up! [a] by Anonymous Coward (Score:5) Thurs, June 31, @13:37
  19. Re:Can't Count :-) by BlueMonk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Except they have no 0 so... ?

  20. New features are good and all but... by Zapp+Brannigan · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    can you crash an airplane into a enemy's buildings?

    Allah is my co-pilot

  21. Re:Difficulty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Apparently, someone didn't think.

  22. Re:Racism by slutdot · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Too bad there isn't a (-1, Idiot) moderation...

  23. Re:Mexico cities joining the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    And here I am thinking history is a lie agreed upon.

  24. Re:Racism by yobtah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So, uh... anyone living in the UK is a member of a different race from those in the US?

  25. Re:What I'd really like to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Nice comment cuz you have a good point! Just don't be an ass hole next time you speak what you think!

  26. Re:What I'd really like to know... by rm-r · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    considering the +mods for the parent comments (I hate Windows, MacOS/Linux rox!- very insightful...) I can't disagree with you, it's a shame this place is becoming so lame...

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  27. Re:A petition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    >Linux users are thieves.
    And Mr. Softy is not?

  28. Re:What I'd really like to know... (VPC) by rm-r · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What can I say, you didn't mention Linux 15 times- obviously not interesting enough on this lame site

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  29. Re:What I'd really like to know... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    being quite good is good enough for PHBs m friend...crist look at win nt4

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  30. Re:Racism by isorox · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    * We're sorry. This item cannot be shipped to your selected destination. You may change the shipping address above to an eligible address. Or you may delete the item from your order--just change the quantity to 0 and click the Update button below. *

    That happens with a country of "England", "Great Britain" and "United Kingdom"

    Software
    If a software title can be shipped internationally, this will be noted on the item's detail page. Software titles can be shipped to the following countries:

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Canada
    China
    Denmark
    Finland
    Germany
    Great Britain
    Ireland
    Italy
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    South Korea
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Taiwan
    International Shipping Restrictions

    Due to warranty issues and manufacturer restrictions, we are not able to ship all products to all geographical locations.

    Toys, Games, and Video Games

    Something tells me "Manufacterer restrictions" are in play, namely they'll sell it in the UK for twice the price, a month after the US

  31. Re:What I'd really like to know... by rm-r · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Is being quite good enough for the PHB enough to satisfy your professional pride? Linux would hold computing back as much as Winows has if it were in a dominant position- enough with blind dogma, use your brain- it is what its there for

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  32. Re:What I'd really like to know... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I realy think that Linux would not hold back computing just for the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people with access to the code. this access allows people to make additions to the technology. there will always be people that are not satisfied with the current system. this will ensure that linux will always get better in quality. and when it aproaches the point where there is no technologicly compelling reason to do somthing, they will begin to audit the code to make it perfect.....when a new tech comes up it will get added.

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  33. Hey Hemos by brer_rabbit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    isn't civ so much better with a blue neon light case?

  34. Good Lord.... by Armand28 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The first million posts on this thread are all "When is the XXX version coming out? I don't want to give up LINUX!!!"

    If you want to run a great O/S, get LINUX.

    If you want to run SOFTWARE, get Windows.

    It's like saying "I have the best car in the world!!! It does 0-60 in 2 seconds, get 99MPG, and costs $200! However, you can only drive it on your driveway..."

    Sorry folks, anyone who defends OSx or Linux to the point where you cannot run any of the latest software, you are simply sad.

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    "-LINUX was a good OS, before it became a religion."
  35. rofl by Wise+Dragon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's just funny.