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The (Possible) Future of Alternative Energy

Sponge! writes: "The stuff that turns oil into margarine. The stuff that made the Hindenburg float. The stuff that combines with oxygen to make water and with carbon to make methane. The stuff that sends the space shuttle skyward and could someday power your car, office building, house, cell phone, even your hearing aid. That "Stuff" is hydrogen, and according to Amory Lovins, it is the future of energy. Here is an interesting article on Lovins and his view of hydrogen as the number one fuel."

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  1. Short term/long term by perdida · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have been able to transfer a lot of our daily consumer power needs off the grid for years.

    Unfotunately, any large scale production of alternative energy using consumables would require a massive capital investment by government and private enterprise that they have been postponing later and later.

    We could have hydrogen powered cars and solar powered houses right now, if 40 years ago somebody had started a small factory making consumer goods that used these energy sources. By now, there would be lots of factories making the goods, and cheaper production methods would have resulted.

    The short term planning orientation of energy companies and their associated enterprises is what keeps us dependent on fossil fuels today.

    Only now are corps like BP investing in alternative energy. And BP isn't advancing the field much, it seems to be buying up small alternatives industry firms and keeping them in a technological and marketing holding pattern.

    In my opinion, private enterprise and government won't invest the massive amounts required to scale alternatives production until the cost of fossil fuels is so prohibitive that they are (short-term) forced to do so.

    By then, it will be too late.

    I wish I knew what to do about this.

  2. Hydrogren as fuel by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 2, Funny
    There's still the problem of generating the hydrogen. Electrolysis is the simplest way, but it requires electricity so you're spending some amount of energy to get it. Some law of thermodynamics or something. Maybe we should get rid of it.

    Best thing, imho about hydrogren fuel is the ability to use it as a means of transmitting energy from potentially remote renewable generating facilities. Think of that game of SimCity where you put all the windmills in the hilly corner you'd never use. Same idea could work with wind or solar in the real world. Put wind facilities in prime (for wind generating) locations, generate hydrogen with the electricity, and truck the h2 to cities. No need for big ugly lines.

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  3. Re:Can we harness.. by TGK · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not really. Fusion "containers" are massive electromagnetic coils which are themselves suspended in a vacuum chamber. The idea is to magneticly contain a 100,000+ C plasma until fusion occurs and hopefully produce more energy than you use. This is a ways off.

    In answer to a question further down the page, hydrogen fuel cells are better than batteries because of the rate they can deliver energy. It's difficult to make an electric car that can make a decent top speed. Hydrogen fuel cells pack the punch to give you a good boost.

    Last point -- Someone else was asking where the energy for this will come from, pointing out that you will always come up short if you're using water as your source of hydrogen. A reply indicated that other more hydrogen rich molecules would be used. I wish to clarify that this is the case, but only until either more advanced solar systems can be developed or until fusion power becomes more practical. The idea is not hydrogen as an energy source, but as a storage medium.

    That is all.

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  4. SPEAK UP SONNY! by _aa_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Being a crotchity old man, I fear change and progress. This.. this so-called Hy-dro-gen you speak of has been nothing but a pain in my rump ever since my days as a gold prospector. This margerine business.. try as I might, I still don't beleive it's not butter. I was a hearty 45 when I witnessed the Hindenburg disaster. What guarentees can you give me that such an incident won't befall my hearing aid? I have had a fear of water since I was knee-high to a crawdad. The most respected talk-show host in the world, Phil Donahue, said that this methane gas is responsible for a hole in the O-Zone layer. I beleive that space travel is best left to the Russians. I am not allowed to operate a motor vehicle in my state because I'm legally blind, deaf, and my reflexes ain't what they used to be. These yuppies in their office buildings need to get out and get real jobs gold prospectin'. Why in a single day I panned up 6 bits! All while fendin' off coyotes. I ain't ever needed no power in the house that the Ol' wind mill can't provide. I dunno what cell phones are, but they sound like the work of the devil to me. Anyway.. The Price Is Right is about to start so I have to go.

  5. Patent pending by Maskirovka · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hydrogen has been around an awfully long time. Doesn't at least one mega-corp have it patented?