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The first slashback of normal time (not Daylight Savings) in a while, tonight with news of 3Dwm's continuing progress, ways brave OS X pioneers can bravely reclaim their lost MP3 files, and a word of caution on HP's upcoming digital-audio playbox.

Vivid Video, take note: NickElm writes: "The 3Dwm project, already featured twice before on Slashdot (the last time little more than a year ago), is still alive and kicking and making steady progress. This summer, we added CSG support, full VNC interaction, and our first real application (a 3Dwm clock). To top it off, Xybernaut recently donated two wearable computers to the project, perfect platforms for this kind of thing. 3Dwm packages have existed for Debian for quite some time, and we were just now adopted by Mandrake as well. What are you waiting for, download it and try it out for yourself! Still far from a complete user environment, but we're getting there..."

Do you want your iTunes iBack, little iBoy? pinqkandi writes "Apple has released some tips on getting back your data lost by the iTunes Installer for Mac OS X. If you haven't written to the partition where the loss occured, you should be able to get it back with Tech Tool Pro or Norton Utilities. Apple's tips warn to NOT use a Volume Recover feature in these utilities, but instead use their tools to recover lost data. Also, boot from a CD before recovering data, and also follow your utility's maker's directions. Unfortunately, no free utilities are listed for the recovery."

The sort of details you'll find on page 17 in small print. ARP writes "A while ago RatedPC brought us some scoop of HP's upcoming Digital Entertainment Center de100c. At first this unit seems to be a perfect addition to home theatre systems right? Well, you better forget about it if you think you are going to use it to share music or make your own CDs from your MP3 collection. What HP hasn't told us is they have been seriously whipped by DRM (Digital Rights Management). An internal FAQ has revealed that users will be unable to use CD-RWs to burn off their own CDs. You will need to buy "Digital Audio Discs" and royalties from these discs are distributed to artists via the RIAA. And you can't transfer your songs to your PC either. Without a doubt RIAA's foothold has extended much above just this. Don't be surprised if it won't play your MP3 collection because they are not digitally signed. The problem is that RIAA will be riding high on HP success with this product and their grip will be firmer when it comes to controlling what you will do with your music."

A similar problem affects the otherwise very cool-looking Terapin video recorder, which I would pick up in a heartbeat if it worked with regular CD-Rs. The HP website talks about burning tracks to CD, but makes no mention of such restrictions; I hope this is simply bad information, but it seems quite likely that "burning to CD" in this case will mean burning to industry-sanctioned CDs with their accompanying surcharge. Can anyone provide further information?

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  1. Vivid Video? by geekd · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't get the reference to Vivid Video.

    What does a major porn distributor have to do with 3Dwm?

    1. Re:Vivid Video? by timothy · · Score: 3, Offtopic

      Vivid is known for putting to use some of the interesting features of the DVD format (like multiple angles / "story" jumping akin to Choose Your Own Adventure, but ... with naked people) while mainstream filmmakers mostly haven't.

      One of the features they have apparenly added is a 3-D walkthrough as a menu-choosing function (navigate choices by browsing, first-person-like through a hallway in their simulated House O' Skin). Perhaps someone with a functioning DVD player can better comment on this.

      Added to which, they have a big online / computer interest if not presence (the vivid studio head, whose name I forget, gets shown / interviewed on TV sometimes talking about such), so this seems like a natural fit for them.

      timothy

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    2. Re:Vivid Video? by roberjo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Here comes captain obvious to save the day. The refernce to Vivid Video is because the 3Dwm project is about Human/Computer Interaction. High Tech porn... Human/Computer Interaction... High Tech Porn... HUMAN/COMPUTER INTERACTION..


      To top it off, Xybernaut recently donated two wearable computers to the project, perfect platforms for this kind of thing.


      Can I make it any clearer?

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      Deterrence is the art of producing, in the mind of the enemy, the fear to attack! - Dr. Strangelove
  2. Apple giving an even more helping hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple is offering users who lost data using the initial version of the iTunes 2.0 for OS X installer both reimbursement for purchase of Norton Utilities and/or data recovery services.

    http://newforums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cg i? ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000637

  3. ITunes Recovery by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you haven't written to the partition where the loss occured, you should be able to get it back with Tech Tool Pro or Norton Utilities.

    Which is what any data recovery pro could have told you.

    But many modern systems are sold with only one partition. and there is the added question of virtual memory systems such as used in Mac and windows. The Mac OSX setup, based on BSD, should not have this as a big issue, if they use the typical swap partition.

    (and some people wonder why you would not put it all into one large partition!)

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:ITunes Recovery by victim · · Score: 5, Informative

      People with only one partition were not harmed. You had to have more than one partition and have one of them named like the first one with another word after it. "Disk" and "Disk 2" would do it.

      Very few mac users use more than one partition. There isn't a compelling reason for most people.

  4. iTunes by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 5, Informative
    I downloaded iTunes v2.0 when it came out, and promptly installed it. Luckily, my drives were named without spaces, etc. and I escaped the wrath of the unquoted "rm -rf" bug.

    I managed to get v2.0.1 later this weekend and re-installed, just to be on the safe-side, and in case there were any other changes.

    The improvements like the EQ, crossfade and faster burning are nice. It doesn't crossfade when burning, though, which stinks - but otherwise you couldn't track-change. You can burn MP3 CDs now, too.

    A costly upgrade for some... ;) But pretty darned nice if it works out, which should be for the majority of the people.

    Hey, give Apple a chance - they're a little new to this Unix thing. Heh. MacOS X fully rocks.

    1. Re:iTunes by technos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple also sold rebranded AIX (Read: IBM's Unix) boxes as servers.

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  5. Re:It's Unfortunate, but not unexpected by b_pretender · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's not just legal action. The RIAA has time and time again been connected to the mafia and some major organized crime. When this is the case, then it lobbying and court battles aren't the only things you have to worry about. You have to worry about arson, death to loved ones, and your own personal safety.

    Probably the only large group with more connections than the RIAA is the MPAA.

  6. HP success? What are you smoking? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem is that RIAA will be riding high on HP success with this product and their grip will be firmer when it comes to controlling what you will do with your music.

    This is not a problem, it's a blessing, as at $1000 HP will sell few of these. Then we can all point to the RIAA's DRM component as the reason for lousy sales (it's certainly a major reason I wouldn't buy one, even at half the price). To make this work, everyone here should write HP a nice snail-mail letter politely telling them that you were interested in the de100c until you learned of the DRM crap.

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  7. HP dec by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is always a problem in introducing more restrictive formats into a generally open market. Ok, here goes: HP markets a box with a 40GB disc to store MP3s and a CD-RW to burn said music.

    Pros: Looks pretty and fits in with the rest of my entertainment system, neato little remote, able to d/l new music (marginal in my skeptical opinion)

    Cons: I gotta buy a $6 (?)dollar blank disc so that Britney isn't robbed of her royalties, potentially "signed" format preventing me free movement of my files from the device, to my PC, to my iPod, whatever. Also, broadband link to my music collection, potentially showing them, what music I have, and what I'm listening to (marketing anyone?)

    Here's my solution. Buy yourself a cheap old box (I a P3 350 on ebay for under $100), throw a big HD and a CD-RW on it, and hide it in your entertainment system. Not as pretty, sure, but cheap, and no big brother RIAA.

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    1. Re:HP dec by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, I would say there's merit to this, except ...

      If I took a Vanessa Daou CD (one of my favourite artists) and burned it on one of those $6 CDs, Britney would get all the royalties (because they are based on artist popularity), and Vanessa wouldn't get a penny.

      I paid my $25 for Vanessa's MP3 collection, (http://www.eq8r.com) so all my MP3s of her music are perfectly legit. So tell me, why on earth should I pay Britney Spears when I loathe her music?

      Far as I'm concerned, the ASCAP and BMI folks, who make these charges, are stealing from Vanessa and the other obscure artists in their catalogue so Britney will get more, and this is deeply offensive to my sense of fair play.

      You can find more interesting information on the workings of this here:
      http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/webcasting.ht ml

      D

      PS I make a first-class living as a programmer using open source tools.

  8. Music only CD's by bbk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The HP recorder probably only writes to the "CD for audio recorders" - the ones they sell for standalone CD->CD consumer audio devices. Nothing new for that market segment.

    The media generally costs twice as much as normal CD's, even though it is basically identical - the extra is for the RIAA tax that is placed on the media.

    BBK

  9. Re:HP (the printer maker) will see this die... by laserjet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Which is precisely what they do with their printers. They give them away, sometimes even losing money initially, but wait... people need... toner! Yeah that's it, we'll charge an arm and a leg for finely ground plastic!

    To be semi on-topic, I can't believe that HP's new mp3 device is so limiting. It seems that the old HP would have gone with what people really want, and not bow to the RIAA and all this digital protection crap. Look what happened with Napster: You used to have one mp3-sharing company to kill, now you have 50 small, flexible, and no-one-person-owns-me mp3 sharing networks/programs. They really shot themselves in the foot on this one!

    Viva la resistance.

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  10. I'm in trouble now... by tjgrant · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I clicked on the link looking for enlightenment, and all it was was some porn site.
    Then the boss walked in...
    Then the popups started popping up.
    "Yes, I was doing my job I was reading Slashdot and the article linked...
    "...Oh, never mind"

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    Stand Fast,
    tjg.

  11. HP Madness by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What HP hasn't told us is they have been seriously whipped by DRM (Digital Rights Management). An internal FAQ has revealed that users will be unable to use CD-RWs to burn off their own CDs. You will need to buy "Digital Audio Discs" and royalties from these discs are distributed to artists via the RIAA. And you can't transfer your songs to your PC either.

    the thing to do here is to go into stores and badmouth it to the sales reps, tell them that they'll get a bunch of returns and it is a bogus system because the customers can not use the device the way they think they could.

    Now sales geek do _not_ like dealing with customer returns from angry customers, and likes to know about insider secrets so that customers will think he has a clue.

    So talk up the bad points - special HP only CD Media, etc.

    "yeh, you can't use the regular blanks, you got to use their special cd blanks. and it can only be played on their machine, no place else. It is as bad as the ink cartridges. A real dog man."

    make this stuff go the way of the DIVX format. (remember that?)

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  12. A Few Things On A Few Subjects by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all, you might be interested to know that 3DWM is now available for Mandrake Linux (RPMs, here).

    Second, some thoughts on how the iTunes fiasco can hurt Apple. Not only does this further embarass the company but also goes to say that their bug fixing department can't really be trusted too much. This was a rather large bug and suggests that not too much testing was done. If Apple becomes known for releasing buggy software that crashes your computer then they might dig themselves even deeper graves in the tech industry.

    Onto the third subject, he says that you cannot transfer files from the HP Digital Entertainment center to your PC. Two things. One, the device has USB ports. Something tells me that people will find a way to hack it. Second, the part about not being able to use CD-RWs (you have to pay for special RIAA approved discs) is probably also hackable in some way shape or form. The RIAA will never win.

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    1. Re:A Few Things On A Few Subjects by cygnus · · Score: 3, Funny
      If Apple becomes known for releasing buggy software that crashes your computer then they might dig themselves even deeper graves in the tech industry.
      <sarcasm>but of course. after all, this is what has happened to Microsoft.</sarcasm>
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  13. RIAA walking a well-travelled road by HalfFlat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know it's not the same, but it does feel similar to what the MPAA tried to pull with Divx. Divx of course failed because customers didn't want to buy crippled equipment, and rightly so. Perhaps HP will face a similar response here.

    Region coding is another example of crippling for profit, but unlike say Divx, it didn't affect the majority of customers. In the major markets of US and Japan, only a few would seek to play DVDs from outside their native region. Europe was more badly affected, and DVD still hasn't taken off in Australia really, due to the paucity of region 4 releases outside the big titles.

    HP's crippling though would become apparent everytime one tried to record on it. What is Digital Audio Media, other than a disingenuous choice of name? I'm presuming it's the same as the (expensive) CD-Audio disks, which or course are just CD-R with magic mark on it for the benefit of (presumably) the RIAA.

    Similar shenanigans killed DAT as a home medium, but maybe the other features of the HP device will win out. Recording aside, it does look like a nice piece of kit.

  14. distributed to capitalist pigs by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    these discs are distributed to artists via the RIAA

    that is probably not exactly correct, according to this account at salon.com, the artists are the LAST people that are likely to see any of this money...

  15. Hp trying to cater to a non-market by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First off, anyone deep in the mp3 world would never ever buy something like that. You already have several devices that are worlds better and cheaper. and finally..... The mp3 user already has a computer and a CD burner is $59.00 at Best buy.

    No DRM crap, and no content control.

    If you really want that integrated device do a searxh for linux and CAJUN on google and build one yourself for less, without DRM, and get higher quality playback (esp if you use a SB Live or better Sound card)

    Nice try HP, I'll keep using my audiotron and my PC which does more and was less money with the network wiring,100base switch and wall plates for the Cat5 cable.

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  16. Re:Make your own CDR-Audio? by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stand alone players read the header on a blank CD to get information such as what size it is, who made it, what type of die is used, etc. This format information is written and pressed in from the master. It is not alterable as it is pressed not written from the master. Consumer computer CDR's may ignore the Music CD bits. A hardware deveice may have have coding to not ignore these bits and refuse to write to a non-music CD.

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  17. Priceless by Snafoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    * One Microsoft-bought double-agent at Cupertino: $4million
    * Two covert lunch meetings with top RIAA officials: $120

    * Steve Jobs' Facial Expression: Priceless.

    The only thing that could possibly make it better (for the bad guys, you troll-modding trigger-finger amateur 'moderators'!) would to have the installer play the 'sosumi' System 7 beep

    (for those not hip to the jive: Apple promised recording company Apple Records Inc. that it would never, ever record any sounds sohelpthembunny, but they did anyway, so they named the sound 'sosumi'.
    )

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  18. AHRA mandates DRM, royalties for all dig. aud. by beland · · Score: 3, Informative

    "More information" indeed. I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet, but...

    Chapter 10 of 17 USC (federal copyright law) requires that all manufacturers and importers of digital audio devices in the US incorporate Serial Copy Management System or similar systems into their devices, and pay royalties into a central fund. These royalties are then distributed to the American Federation of Musicians, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, music publishers, lyricists, and directly to "interested copyright parties" which includes copyright owners (potentially studios) and artists themselves.

    In return, the public is granted the right to make unlimited copies of music on digital audio devices, though of course they may not circumvent copy protection if it is turned on. (The law does not require that all artists enable it.)

    Note that "digital audio devices" do not include general-purpose computers. Sorry, all you peer-to-peer fans. Thank the Audio Home Recording Act. (Not the DMCA.)

    See the full text of the law yourself.

    Everyone should know this, right? Maybe I only think so because I'm writing my thesis on the topic. 8P

    -B.