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White House Frowns on National ID Card

sonic writes "'One security measure that [Homeland Defense Chief] Clarke didn't put much store in, however, was a proposal by some industry leaders, including Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, to create a national ID card. Clarke said he could not name one official who supports the idea as proposed, though he said the administration does not yet have a formal position on the concept. "Everyone I've talked to doesn't think it's a good idea," Clarke said. "

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  1. Home Land Security Chief by PimpDaddie · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Homeland Security Chief is not Richard Clarke. It is Tom Ridge. Do people even read the articles they submit? It plainly says " President Bush's special adviser on cyberspace security said". I love to bitch about the editorial control of this site, but this is obvious.

    1. Re:Home Land Security Chief by sonic2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Big SNAFU on my part, I was reading another article on Tom Ridge and got mixed up. Considering I have family in his old gubernatorial stomping ground with whom I was JUST discussing Tom's appoinment . . . that's rather pathetic.

      My apologies to Tom and Dick.
  2. This has a way of being inevitable... by Zach` · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...unless you, the people, fight like grim death against it.

    Here in Australia we had a proposal for the `Australia Card' -- basically the same as this proposal, only not as technologically sophisticated. It was put to the people's vote (referendum or an election issue? I don't remember) and the people's response was to tell the proposers how to fold it into sharp corners, and where to stick it afterwards. That's Ok, though, because then they introduced the Tax File Number, which is a wannabe SSN -- you need it to earn an income (failure to provide a TFN is not illegal, but automatically results in you being taxed at 49.5%), to open a bank account, or just about anywhere else where you are using money in a non-trivial way.

    The TFN was possible because we (the Australian population) had just fought furiously and won against a more draconian scheme, and were tired. Also, this almost slipped under the radar without comment, as the parliament rushed it through with very little debate, in the house or in public.

    This may turn out to be another High Aim Tactic. Ask for something which is absolutely ridiculous, and let yourself be beaten back to what you wanted in the first place. Even if Ellison is serious (surely not...?) his overtures can -- and probably will -- be used by others with the same barrow to push.

    The question is where to draw the line. How much freedom from surveillance do you want? Once you have figured that out, don't settle for one jot less! As soon as you rationalise that `I don't really need to be able to X' and bargain away the right to be able to do so, then you have just lost something precious which you will never get back.

    Of course, things are rarely that simple, and some things are obviously stupid. (Such as, eg, `I demand the right to stockpile Anthrax spores'.) But the apparatchiks will use these examples to persuade you that the right to freely assemble, for example, is just too dangerous for you to have. It will not be put to you like that. It will be that some travel may have to be restricted, or that restrictions based on profiling [Hmm, you have travelled in the middle east, your family name is arabic, and you talk funny...] will be instituted `for the time being'.

    If history teaches us anything, it is that `for the time being' can be translated `for the foreseeable future', and that just means `until it is no longer profitable to do so'.

    Wasn't it a Founding Father who said `the Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance'?

  3. Re:just a little too late by carlos_benj · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...all I'm saying is that it's human nature to get over things in about 3-6 months, of course, not including the people who were directly affected by it.

    While it's true that the effect of the attacks will diminish in our collective consciousness, don't forget that all kinds of laws are on the books because some mother of a victim (real mother, not like the "mother of all victims") wouldn't go away until somebody ramrodded a law through that could make her feel that her loss was not in vain.

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    As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  4. Re:No women by KyleCordes · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems that the meaning of "selective" is simple; the criteria is simply

    Age>=18 AND Sex='Male'

    Perhaps it should be called the not-very-selective service?

  5. Insurance by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 4, Informative
    You've a very odd way of looking at insurance companies. They are in the business of risk-sharing, that's all: they compile tables of risk, figure the average cost per individual {man, company, state, &c.}, add in their own cut, and go for it. They make a simple bet: that statistics will prove true, and they will take in more money than they pay out. Customers make a reverse bet: that the insurance company will take in less than it pays out. Who do you think will win?

    Anyway, the only data they have to work on are just that: data. Every incident, every occurrence, is fed into the database and correlated with as many factors as possible and realistic. There is a problem when the insurance benefit is high dollar (as æroplane insurance must be) and there is relatively little data to collect. On 11 Septemeber we had four commercial plane crashes. That's probably more than in the continental US in the previous dozen years, and certainly more than in the past half-dozen. Suddenly their actuarial tables were thrown all out of whack. So they corrected them.

    The intelligent corporation self-insures as much as possible. When large enough, one may collect one's actuarial data, and put aside as much as one would have put into insurance premiums, and come out ahead of the game. Insurance is a sucker's bet, in the real world as much as in Vegas. Anyone who takes it deserves the reaming he will most certainly receive.