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How Not To Ship Computers

jutus writes: "I recently relocated for work from Canada to Florida, and on a suggestion, shipped my equipment (well-packed), with UPS Ground. I've posted some images of the destruction my shipment was subjected to by UPS. UPS Ground does not insure international shipments, so basically I'm up shit creek, no paddle. They have been giving me the textbook run-around for the past week. UPS Canada blames UPS in the U.S., and you can imagine who UPS down here in the States blames. As of yet, UPS has not even attempted to negotiate any compensation for my loss due to their severe negligence ... For Gods sake, use FedEX." My luck has gone the other direction -- I've mostly had good luck with UPS and some misdeliveries with FedEx. Would be nice to hear from any UPS employees reading this about what could have led to the damage jutus illustrates.

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  1. Similar UPS experience here by migstradamus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I sold a server on Ebay and had it packaged at a "Mailboxes Etc." in Manhattan and shipped UPS to Pennsylvania. The person who got it says it looked like it had been dropped from at least four feet, enough to crack the entire (metal) case. I had bought insurance, and UPS sent someone over to the guy's house to examine it. They have to make sure it was packed to spec or they blame the sender (Mailboxes Etc. in this case).

    Despite their basically admitting it was damaged during shipment and that it was packed correctly, this was over two months ago and I'm still waiting for something to happen. They don't give me a point of contact so I have to start from scratch every time I call. Total mess.

  2. UPS lately? by Matt2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I've been shipping things with UPS for the past few years, and only in the last 6 months have started noticing a large amount of damage to my stuff and to my friend's stuff. 3 of my friends had to send stuff back due to UPS damage during shipping.

    Has anyone else noticed an increase in damage lately, or is it just me?

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  3. My shipping experiences with UPS by MooRogue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, not to defend UPS, but i thought i'd share my own experiences.

    I shipped a number of packages via UPS ground when moving from TX to CA, among them was a computer and a few boxes full of books.

    For the computer, I actually had the original box that the computer case came in, along with styrofoam padding on top and at the bottom with a sturdy cardboard box. I also made sure that all the screws were tight, all the wires were bundled up inside. Box arrived slightly banged up, but no major damage. The computer booted up on the first try with no errors. I had actually thought that some connections would have been shaken loose during transport.

    However, the box full of books arrived in pieces. In fact, when the UPS man came to deliver the box, it fell apart before he made it to the door. It was the same kind of cardboard that the computer box was made of, but was significantly heavier... I didn't care much about the books since they were just textbooks.

    Moral of the story? Well... use the original box if you can, don't make things too heavy or the UPS people will most likely kick the heavier boxes around, and insure things that are expensive!

  4. Re:Your Mistakes by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My roommate works for UPS and he tells me that if they see "Fragile" on the box, they will actually kick it around in the warehouse

    Why not test this to see if it is more widespread? Send a package with an audio recording device to record peoples voices and idealy with some kind of camera thing looking out to see what's going on outside the box (to get faces). Make sure the package has fragile clearly marked all over the box and send it across the country (or to re-create this poor persons experience, send it from the same place in canada to the same place in florida hoping it will take the same route). It would probably be best for the audio recording instrument to be sound activated to conserve audio recording space and to keep some sort of time stamp on the various recordings, same with the video.

    Just my opinion.

  5. Re:Your Mistakes by geigertube · · Score: 4, Interesting

    UPS is not the only company that does this. I used to work for RPS, and the amount of damage and theft of packages was outrageous. Anything that was breakable and wasnt packed to survive nuclear detonation was trashed. Workers would regularly open packages that shipped to retailers and lift articles of clothing, drop kick 'fragile' packages across the loading docks, etc. etc. etc.

    However, looking at the pictures, I dont think that the computers were packed properly. If they were in the original styrofoam casings, they probably would have been fine. Bubble wrap (unless you want to wrap it a foot thick) wont cut it for computer equipment.

  6. Hassles with UPS by John+Harrison · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Years ago I used to rewire old monitors to display funky patterns when I ran my stereo wires through them. Some day I may put up a web page describing the process. I have made a winamp pluggin that simulates the effect, which I will also post some day when I am not so lazy/busy with other things.

    Anyhow, I bought an old Mac at the Goodwill for $5 and then modified it to make the funky patterns and shipped it to a friend for his birthday.

    I went to Mailboxes Etc. and told them I wanted to ship it UPS. First they wanted to double box it. That alone would have cost $150, and would have substantially increased the shipping costs as well since double boxing makes things huge.

    After convincing them that I had spent all of $5 and about two hours of my time on this, I conviced them that they could single-box it. However, they made me sign something that stated that it they broke it, it was my own fault.

    Then while filling out the form there was a box for value. I put a sideways '8' since it was a one-of-a-kind item. They went crazy again and asked why I had done that. I replied that it was a work of electronic art that interacted with music in a unique way. That really worried them. This all occured in Palo Alto and maybe they were used to shipping strange expensive stuff.

    Finally I crossed out the value and put in a big '0' and claimed that if it wasn't art then it was junk. That confused them but finally they shipped it, single boxed, for a total of about $70.

    The moral of this story?

    Mailboxes Etc. doesn't appreciate a smart-ass.

    addendum: My friend painted it with gold paint and used it at parties. It was even more popular than his lava lamp.

  7. Re:Worthless by dbday · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Your average UPS employee is so damn busy he or she doesn't have time to play games with boxes.

    What most likely destroyed this shipment was it's journey along overcrowded belts, where it was squeezed mercilessly betwixt 200 80lb. boxes of greeting cards and 80 dell or gateway boxes. When a friend of mine worked there, he said he'd wince when he'd see a wrapped gramma's xmas present nestled between industrial shipments.

    UPS does home consumer shipping as a sideline: they're more worried about pleasing their corporate customers.

  8. Re:Your Mistakes by arnex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I worked in radio we regularly shipped audio equipment for remotes via UPS and FedEx. Everything was always insured and marked "FRAGILE" but we also had these little "BB-in-a-paint-capsule" things we'd tape inside the crates... these were rated such that the BB would break the glass at a given G-force, so you'd know just what trauma the package had suffered in transit. Regardless, I never saw one arrive with an unbroken capsule.

  9. Even if it's undamaged you might be screwed. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about drivers who don't care to ring your doorbell or check if you're actually home?

    My first experience with this was with a $500 package that was late by two days... and then a week... and then a week-and-a-half. The tracking system said "delivery made" but there was no package. Repeated calls to the service center revealed nothing until finally one day a rep said "there's a note in the system that says 'green box' so do you have a green box around your house?"

    A light bulb appeared above my head, and I went outside with a look of disbelief on my face. I found the box (containing a high-end RAID controller) at the bottom of one of my *recycle bin* at the side of the house, beneath tons of cardboard and plastic. Two more days and it would have been recycled. What sort of idiot delivers a package to a recycle bin?

    Well, the second time this sort of thing happened (system says delivered, but I haven't seen the package), I *asked* the rep if there were any delivery notes in the system. This time the note was "tree" and I found a box containing a Sun 3/80 *up in the branches of my 14' pine tree* in the dead of winter. The driver actually seemed to have climbed the fence next to the tree to place the box in it. They're sturdy branches, but it still seems ridiculous to me.

    Calls to UPS about these incidents resulted in the following explanation: sometimes when the individual isn't home and the address is difficult to reach, the driver may leave the package on the premesis in a "non-obvious" area so that he doesn't have to return. I guess a recycle bin and a tree are UPS's idea of protecting me from thieves... Of course all of this ignores the fact that I was home all day on the day that BOTH of these deliveries were supposedly made...

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