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A Real Bourne Shell for Linux?
"On every distro I've ever seen /bin/sh is just a soft link to /bin/bash. If bash is invoked with sh as its name (argv[0]) then its supposed to act like Bourne - but that just doesnt happen (for example: export FOO=bar is *not* valid Bourne shell syntax, you must say FOO=bar; export FOO)
Do you think that the startup scripts for most distributions would break because, even though they say #!/bin/sh at the top, they REALLY mean #!/bin/bash?
Given that there is no real Bourne shell for Linux, and that bash has an exhorbitant file size. Quoting bash's man page, here: '...it's too big and too slow' for something that is to be used as the defacto-standard shell for scripting, do you think its a worthy venture to set out to write a small, tight, pure Bourne shell?
*asbestos disclaimer*: This has nothing to with Bash as an interactive user shell and has nothing to do with a holy war over who's favorite shell is better than whomever's."
While doing a small bit of research on this question, I noted there was another Bourn-compatible shell out there called "ash", yet it's billed as doing "some things better and some things worse than bash". Does anyone use it, and find it better than bash for their shell scripting needs?
I'd rather see bash on HP/UX, etc. Why should we take a giant leap backward for their sake?
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Who cares? Linux is dead anyway.
The shell scripting languages need to die. I find a more enlightened approach is to integrate a full interpreted language like perl or python into a shell-like environment. I like what psh is doing in this regards - work just like you are in a traditional shell, but have available all the facillities of perl.
...submit a fucking patch, dickwad.
Sheesh. Some people's kids!
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is the last thing linux needs to succeed at the moment.
so why ask for people to write one, if it lacks in totally different places.
a question from me maybe:
is it possible to scale linux down, put (insert the most user-friendly windowmanager here) in it, and keep all those server stuff (appache, bind etc.) out put it on one cd, make an easy installer with good hardware detection, make a framework that 3rd party software vendors can work on without colliding with the GPL's issues, eye candy - multiuser support. and ease the pain of windows users.
ah ya, and dont forget to write a script that makes the delete and backspace buttons work under every terminal-emulator.
For making a shell that is incompatible with non-free OS?
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Because eventually you guys will have to move out of your parents basement. You socialists just keep making the same thing over and over again. No innovation. Why don't you use FreeBSD.
If you sit down a workstation to write a scipt for a server with a different OS, step one is to SSH into the server and write it in the environment for which it is intended!
It's a script. It's not like you are writing an application, which needs to be portable... unless you are, in which case, why the fuck are you using shell scripting!?
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So which is it that you people want? A POSIX shell or a Bourne shell? They are mutually exclusive. Bash and ksh are both POSIX shells, but the Bourne shell is most definately not. As far as I'm concerned, POSIX can go jump in a lake anyway -- but that's another rant for another day.
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