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Galeon 1.0 Released
exceed writes: "Finally, after about a year, version one of Galeon -- the GTK+ web browser based on Mozilla's rendering engine, gecko -- has been released. If you plan on installing this for the first time, you might want to read the 'INSTALL' files included within the package for requirements. Head on over to the project's file list at Sourceforge."
"Galeon -- the GTK+ web browser based on Mozilla's rendering engine, gecko -- has been released"
Folks, Galeon is a GNOME web browser, can we start making the distinction? There is a differance, SkipStone afaik is the Gtk+ web browser and does not depend on any Gnome lib.
OK.
:)
I am seriously not trying to troll.
When Galeon first came out I really liked it because it gave us the rendering quality of gecko without the weight of Mozilla.
Then Mozilla started to improve and I haven't looked back. XUL isn't that bad when compared to GTK and the programming model is nice.
Are there any other major reasons for using Galeon that I am missing?
It isn't much faster anymore.
There are some nice feature (and competition keeps everyone on their toes). I do like the ability to have with the browser toolbar.
Mozilla also needs better bookmarklet integration.
It would be nice if I could hack the Mozilla XUL framework easier (like I can hack Emacs lisp).
... I am sure the Galeon team really believes in the project or they wouldn't have put in all this effort.
Kevin
At least at this point, there is no list of what's new on their Web site. If you download the file, you can check out the changelog. Here are some changes for 1.0 and previous release (which is where most of the interesting stuff happened):
Also, they added a few new themes (Azundris & Glass66 & Glass75) and some new spinners (I believe Netscape used to call these "throbbers").
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
1. The compatibility argument here is spurious. Because all of these browsers use the same rendering engine (Gecko), web pages will look the same between all of them. Essentially, they're just UI distinctions which web designers by and large don't need to worry about.
2. The security argument is interesting, but bear in mind that unified platforms are like unified gene pools--a single virus or other agent can target them all. More diverse systems are more difficult to target; a galeon-specific virus won't affect mozilla or k-meleon. Of course, a generic Gecko virus is possible but that doesn't increase vulnerability over a mozilla-only world. And because Galeon is designed to be small, there's much less code to audit.
Choice is good.
Sumner
rage, rage against the dying of the light
1. You, one click from the menubar, can turn Java and Javascript off. You simply uncheck them (directly from the menubar, not some cheesy pop up window). This is quite nice.
:)
2. Been using Galeon for about three months now. Interestingly, haven't seen a single pop up (eg X10) in about three months now. And new windows can be set to open not in another window, but in a new tab.
3. Its bookmarking abilities quite frankly kick ass. Especially the XML-based myportal. You have to use it to see how awesome it is. The "smart" toolbars feature is also equally cool.
4. In the preferences menu, it allows you to choose what mouse buttons/key combo's you want to do things with.
5. Gtk is prettier than Qt...no offense KDE folks, it just is, IMVHO.
6. Its a cool enough project that A) they jumped from 0.12.8 to 1.0 and B)the KDE-propagandist website, "Slashdot," actually saw need to mention it
/me thinks this is so gonna get modded down as flame, even tho its not.
After finally getting tired of waiting for Mozilla , I had been using Konqueror all of the time up until about a month ago. Since then I've been using Galeon non-stop. I now think that it's the best browser option in Linux. Here's why:
1) It uses Gecko, so the rendering engine is pretty much second to none. I almost never have any problems viewing any webpages with it.
2) Because it uses Gecko, I get a lot of great things from the mozilla project. I have all of the plugins I want, I have a browser engine that most webmasters have heard of, so they listen if I complain, I get great standards compliance
3) Because it is an actual gnome app it integrates very well with other GTK apps. Where Mozilla/NS6.x goes it's own way and as a result doesn't really integrate properly in any OS, Galeon looks and behaves just like all of the other great GTK apps I use (grip, sylpheed, j-pilot, gimp, abiword, gnumeric etc.)
4) When I really get surfing I often have >10+ browsing sessions open. With Galeon this is all within a single window, and is handled brilliantly. I really miss the browser tabs when using Konqueror, I get a better rendering engine than Opera, and the tabs are more configurable/faster than Mozilla. As a complete bonus, I keep all browsing sessions between uses of Galeon. As far as I know, Mozilla does not do this. Also, when I'm using many browser sessions I find Galeon to switch between them much faster than Mozilla (though this is getting better)
5) Fewer UI inconsistencies. Mozilla has many odd XUL-related UI bugs. (for instance, open preferences and expand out all of the options. The options go past the end of the dialog, but you can't scroll down, so some options are cut off.)
6) Galeon is very simple and stable. I've been using it exclusively for a while now and I've had exactly one crash in this time. This is by far the best stability I've seen in a browser more complex than lynx for some time.
7) It has many other nice extras. Bookmarklets are nice, the security and cookie options are easy to understand and change, the portal is great, the search tabs are handy, and everything is fast and integrated.
8) It's just a browser. It lets me easily use whatever mail client I want (sylpheed, kmail, evolution etc.) it lets me use an extrnal ftp/download manager if I want.
To sum up, I like Galeon because it's fast, stable, and has a ton of features that are either missing from Mozilla and other browsers, or are better implemented in Galeon (like tabs and cookie management.)
First off, you guys are doing a great job. Themes, spinners, preferences, no pop-ups, Flash, etc. All wonderful stuff. Tabs and myportal especially.
:)
Here's a few things that are bugging me tho:
1. This may be a gnome or gtk problem, but when I click to download a link and the directory chooser window opens, if I click on another directory in which to store the file, the pop up window kills the name of the file and I have to retype it in all over again. Very annoying. Also, the preferences menu won't show hidden directories. For the record, Anjuta-0.1.7 has a button which toggles the display of hiddens. Quite nice.
2. I mentioned this another post...yeah, um, my scrollbar is GONE. Couldn't find a place to toggle it on/off in the preferences menu. If it is in there, it obvoiusly needs to be turned on by default. Perhaps it will help the developers if I tell you that I've got my bookmarks folder docked, and there's a scroll bar in it. They also show up in the preferences menu, just not my html window.
3. And this is nit-picking: If the number of items in a particular toolbar exceeds the width of the window, then the bar needs to add vertical space and continue on a sort of "next-line." The buttons aren't much use when I can't click on them, but I am not aware of a browser that doesn't have this problem.
Damn...these are really the ONLY things that bug me about galeon. If you knew what a little bitch I am, you'd be impressed with that. Did I mention how much I like the scrollable history in the smart bookmarks folder? Being able to scroll thru a list of text searches you've already performed at a site is just damn sweet. And the text zooming...don't even get me started with how nice that is (If you bought as many parts online as I do, and got really sick of the Edit-->Preferences-->Fonts routine whenever you got to a site with a way-too-small-font, well then you understand
/me doffs his cap to the entire galeon crew
Netscape 4.7 crashes all the fucking time. It's really an obscenity. It's bad on Linux, but atrocious on IRIX- which I still use for a number of weird reasons (nice UI, classy computer)- and this is quite unfortunate since I like the way Netscape renders on IRIX. I'll try to buy books online and the browser keeps going down like a transvestite in a subway restroom. If I turn JavaScript off, stability is fine- and pages look like ass or don't even load. Especially if they're made for IE.
Galeon's home page uses DIV and SPAN tags everywhere. I get one column about an inch wide on the left with all text and images. My CPU sounds like it's about to puke. Turn JS off, and I get a 1994-style page with gray background. None of the web pages I create have this problem, but I'm not trying to awe people with my mastery of Dreamweaver. If it can't be done in Vi or Emacs, it's not worth doing.
I'm with Jamie Zawinski on this one. The web has become a giant, soggy mess, and it seems as if the fall of the dotcoms has made everyone even more desperate to prove they've got their shit together by throwing up a huge Flash/Java/DHTML/pop-up-enabled masturbatory home page. My computer used to be used for number crunching and modelling- still makes a great X terminal and molecular graphics workstation- but that 150Mhz MIPS CPU doesn't stand a chance against today's web.
Galeon appears to have some useful features. Perhaps it'll suck less than Netscape 6.1 on Linux. Konqueror is nice, except that running it on anything other than Linux (or perhaps BSD) is rather troublesome, and it's still unstable, and I only get 8bit color running it remotely over X. I would pay cash for a browser that would ignore pop-ups, ignore Flash, ignore Java, and render all pages correctly and quickly. In the meantime, I'm going to have to keep running 'killall netscape' every thirty minutes. I could get a better computer, but this one does almost everything I need. I guess faster 3D would be nice- and compiling can be sluggish- but why should I upgrade my computer to use the Web? This thing blew away any PC on the market when Netscape 1 came out. I refuse to be sucked into the forced-obsolescence cycle. Fuck the economy, I like my computers old and working.
That giant sucking noise you hear is my computer loading msnbc.com.
It seems these people are trying to make damn sure you'll become painfully aware of the need for a browser that does all those playful CSS/DHMTL things.
Using NS4, their pages come out *completely* garbled.
But I won't switch anywhere soon. Why not? Because I don't *want* an application that's supposed to be simply a client for *simple, transaction based UIs*, that is bigger than my unix kernel and X together.
I think this situation is a damn shame, and proves to me the failure of the whole HTML concept. "Logical/structural document layout" instead of physical layout may be nice in theory, but a. what's the use if it can't even auto-generate tables of contents or anything that'd make structural markup actually *useful*, and b. the idea that every type of UI can follow a document model, and that every document can follow some hierarchical content model was an rare case of hybris, if you ask me.
It's probably OK for scientific papers, which all have *very* similar structure. But you need a *ridiculous* amount of complexity to try and squeeze every application UI in the same model. And it shows.
I think we should do something else; create a UI description language that's NOT a document markup (HTML), not a pre-downloaded 'interactive' animation script (Flash), not a general-purpose programming language (Java), and not a rigid, low-level protocol like X; rather a network-transported language in which you can describe widgets and simple interactions between them in terms of lower-level widgets and UI elements. Think 'interactive' postscript (but with infix notation). Or *something*.
Then we can finally push the UI, *only* the UI, but as much of it as possible to the client, and have clients keep an open (tcp) connection to the application that can be as stateful as it likes. Whatever.
But it should be possible to finally find a good middle ground between X and HTTP+HTML. There's *got* to be a way.
Any thoughts? Does anybody know of such a project?
All generalizations are false, including this one. (Mark Twain)
1. It's lack/bad hack of a security console.
You have to open something like the javascript console which yets Mozilla's interface bleed through to then use Mozilla's security interface. I would really think if you were going to release 1.0, you would have the basic functionality of a security console finished.
2. The current sites certificate is unavaiable for examination.
Go to random website that you are about to dish your CC number out to and you want to look at their website certificate to see if they used a CA or their certificate got replaced by crackers, or whatever, you can't.
3. Not easy to turn on encryption for passwords.
You have to go dig through the mailing list and find the prefs.js setting to turn it on. When you do have it on the dialog for it I think comes from Mozilla instead of Galeon and is functional but looks bad. I will say that Mozilla requires you to do the same thing for certain features, but then they state the offically supported ones like pop-up prevention on the release notes page.
4. Lack of a Socks proxy line in the Proxy section.
Many people use Socks proxies for a number of reasons. Mozilla has a line for Socks, and Galeon's proxy section seems to have the same layout as Mozilla's, except it is missing Socks.
Galeon adds it own features that are very nice, but I would think they would want to make sure to have all the basic functionality of Mozilla, but with their goal of a simple interface before they start adding new features. Which they seem to not have to done.
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