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Infogrames Serves Civ3 Fans With Cease and Desist

janolder writes "According to multiple articles on heise online (German only), the leader of an effort to localize Civilization III for Germany, Kai Fiebach, has been slapped with a cease and desist letter, including $500 lawyer bill from Infogrames Germany. A grassroots effort to help Kai and tell Infogrames off is forming." "Background: Most European versions of Civ3 are late. With a slated release for March 2002, Kai and a group of Civ3 fans decided to translate portions of Civ3 to German and to make the result available as a set of files to be applied to the US on time for Christmas. Kai informed Infogrames of his effort and even offered to join forces with their localization team if only the game would be released sooner. Sadly, Infogrames reacted by sending Kai a cease and desist letter, alleging copyright infringement. The home page of the translation effort has already been taken down.

The reason for Infogrames' reaction seems to be that Infogrames Germany doesn't make a single penny on the US version of the game sold through Amazon Germany and other vendors."

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  1. EULA vs COPYRIGHT by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 4, Informative

    A clarification here.

    Providing patches for a binary-only software product may be a violation of the EULA, but that doesn't in itself make it a COPYRIGHT violation.

    EULA violations are purely civil, there might not be any statutory or punitive damages, etc. (depends on the local laws). EULAs are based in CONTRACT law.

    Copyright violations can be civil or criminal (FELONY (*) in some cases), there are statuatory damages (you can be ordered to pay even if they weren't harmed AND you didn't benefit), punitive damages, contributory and vicarious infringement theories (which don't seem to exist with EULAs) which judges follow, etc.

    The DMCA may apply in both cases, depends on the country and the judge. If you get Judge Kaplan, you might as well sell all your stuff and live on the street right now and get it over with. 1/2 :)

    Ask a lawyer (in your jurisdiction) for legal advice.

    (*) In the US. I don't know the situation in other countries.

    P.S. If a company acts so irresponsibly as to try to assess a $500 bill for sending a cease and desist letter because you were trying to be helpful, then to hell with them. Asking you to pay for the costs of their legal attack is unconscionable.

    But what I heard about the laws in Germany, that practice seems to be blessed by the gov't there.
    "abmahnung" I believe it is called.

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  2. Remember... by enrico_suave · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is in germany... and that something similiar (opportunistic lawyers using a german law to fatten their own wallets)

    see what happened to Kontour (was Killustrator because of a similiar german lawyer tactic...

    it's like ambulance chasing but for intellectual property... so... don't necessarily jump on infogames case, because they didn't initiate the cease and decist...

    E.

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  3. Re:Sorry, But Tough by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Informative
    • But CIV3 is copy-written

    Translations are derivative works. There is a specific exemption for these in most countries, Germany included, and this appears to be a straight substitution of text files.

    Mind you, this didn't stop the German fans translating Harry Potter being served with cease and desists, so I guess we're back to the old argument that access to lawyers allows you to (practically) dictate what the law is.

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