Slashdot Mirror


Will Working For Porn Website Ruin an IT Career?

An Anonymous Coward asks: "I used to work for one of those big web services firms, but it went bankrupt, and now i've been looking everywhere for a semi decent PHP programming job. I recently got an offer from a local porn site to do all of the programming for their site, including creating a whole automated publishing system for them in PHP. I also got an offer to manage the NT Servers at a medical office. Now, if I work for a porn site, will I ever be able to work for a traditional website again? Will this be a black mark on my resume? Has anyone here ever worked in the adult area of the internet? As mainstream, regular sites keep cutting staff, will more and more of us have to work for the seedier side of the internet?"

21 of 84 comments (clear)

  1. Assuming you are male by rw2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The better question would be, would I ever want to work for mainstream companies again!

    Ok, here's what I would do. See if they'll use you as a contractor. Doing so has certain monetary and philosophical advantages that should lessen the stigma in the eyes of future employers. If you can concurrently get another client or two then you will be in an even better position.

  2. a moral decision by cornflux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're obviously sensitive to what other people will think and how it will affect your career. But, maybe, the best idea is to consider it on a moral basis, for yourself... take everything else out of the equation for a moment.

    Take the "Mom test." (Would you be ok with telling your mom what you do? Where you work?)

    1. Re:a moral decision by aozilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Moreso, this is almost certainly a question which will come up in future interviews. If I were hiring someone who had worked for a porn site, I would want to know why s/he thought that was morally acceptable. I'd certainly give more leeway to someone who had a somewhat reasonable justification (even if I didn't personally agree with that justification), rather than someone who ignored morality and did it "just for the money".

      If you personally do not believe porn should be accessed by minors, what is your company doing to stop minors from accessing it? Does your company treat its porn actors properly? What is the net effect of your company on society? Positive? Negative? Neutral/Chaotic? If you believe the net effect is negative, I suggest you look for a different job.

      --
      ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
    2. Re:a moral decision by xsbellx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If I were hiring someone who had worked for a porn site, I would want to know why s/he thought that was morally acceptable."

      The very fact that an individual worked at a porn site proves the individual believes their action is morally acceptable. Should this not be the case, the individual could have easily terminated their employment.

      My obligation as an employee is to provide services in a matter deemed acceptable by employer. I am under no obligation to provide any justification of my beliefs/morals what so ever and if I was I believe several pieces of civil rights legislation would prove otherwise.

      If I were a possible employer of this person, I would most probably look quite highly on the skills they posses. The individual is obviously used to working in a "for profit" business environment. In short, the kind of person I want working for me.

      "Does your company treat its porn actors properly?"

      Does your employer treat all of its employees "properly"? If not, why are you still working there?

      "What is the net effect of your company on society?"

      And just how does one determine the "net effect" on society??????

      The only difference between the Taliban and the puritanical rightwing moralists in the United States is the day of the week they pray on.

      --
      If VISTA is the answer, you didn't understand the question
    3. Re:a moral decision by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Mom test is about values that may (of course, or may not) have changed. I should hope the millions of gays out there didn't use the "Mom Test" as the acid test in determining whether or not to be gay.

      And since he's considering the job, I'm pretty sure he's weighed against his own values too. Ironically, I hope more 'normal' people get swept up into the porn industry .. there's no doubt its a seedy industry, but the fact that it might 'tarnish' a resume is a pretty good example of why the current attitude will keep it that way. :) We'll never get rid of porn (just ask many well adjusted, mature friends of mine who sate the exhibitionist in themselves by being amatuers), so why not accept that, and try to make it a cleaner, safer, and more socially acceptable industry for all involved?

      Sadly enough, most of the people who wouldn't hire you because you worked for a porn site have probably subscribed to one at one time or another. I'm quite good at getting people to feel comfortable about talking about sensitive subjects, and I've met very few males that havn't resorted to 'creative meaterial' to help their right hand when they're between parteners (not literally of course ;) Women are taught that porn is bad for women (and it is, these days, in many many ways), but in keeping it an underground, men-dominated industry and the demand only male oriented, we'll never encounter the neccessity to make it a proper and equal industry. In fact, I've met a number of females who wanted porn, but simply could not find suitable material for all the male oriented noise out there .. the local woman-oriented sexuality store (toys/materials/etc) owes me some referral money, but it's sad that guys are raised to be more accepting of pornography as an acceptable inspiration to sexual release.

      On a side note, Suicide Girls (the website he mentions) looks very cool, tho. Catering to specific cultures and communities is another thing the pornography industry could do to work away from it's sleeze-factor cash-grab image. We all have different tastes, and mainstream pornography does very little to aknowledge the different tastes and interests of the population.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    4. Re:a moral decision by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hear that. I know the subject just begs for rhetoric, but I think you've illustrated why it isn't the black and white case some of us wish it was. It's just frusterating .. like homophobia, the intentions may be there (purity, preservation, respect, etc ... ), but it always boils down to making sure we're eating, sleeping, loving and fucking. :) I figure that as long as the human race keeps doing that, why not let the 'immoral' 3% 'waste their lives' according to some. These are, after all, the principals I thought these western democracies where build on, no? :) I realize I may just be preaching to the converted, but I just find it hard to believe that you're free to waste your life (accoring to me) on being a hardcore (no pun intented) Buffy fan, but not on pornography or loving men or [insert intolerance here].

      Of course, if I had my way, big budget hollywood movies would be illegal for their propensity to chip away at cultural and tolerant values, and offer the lower common denominator brainfood, so I know its all subjective. Funny tho, I like how mindless entertainment and sexual allusion is valued in our world (look at Maxim), but mindless erotica is not. You'd think mass market depictions of women being sub 120lbs is worse on our more female's populations self-esteem than porn (what little ends up in front of the eyes of women) is. At least one keeps your sperm count high .. ;)

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
  3. Alternative Ideas by uslinux.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know that it will directly affect whether or not you would be hired by a future employer, but it may indirectly affect your chances (either good or bad), particularly if a future employer (or manager) is for/against those sorts of things.

    Lets look at resume-type questions: Would you be going in as an employee or contractor? What is the official name of the company (suicidegirls.com or "Digital Entertainment Network" for instance)? What work will you specifically perform?

    In all seriousness, if you're a contractor working for another company, you may be able to get away with only naming you contract company and some general terms of your employment (eg "manage 50,000 user accounts using PHP and MySQL" rather than "manage 50,000 adult memberships").

    I don't think most employers would necessarily look at it as a black mark, but people are people, especially when it comes to those management types, and sometimes obvious "flags" on your resume like that might have a impact.

    1. Re:Alternative Ideas by ameoba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If my friend can translate "managing a McDonald's" into "supervising small crews in the production of consumables for JHB Enterprises" (JHB = company owning the franchise), then you shouldn't have a problem. Considering that pron is one of the most profitable sectors of 'net business, you should have no problems making it look good.

      Mention the high trafic of the site, and how you kept security locked down (most ppl don't have a moral problem stealing porn, and since there's no physical item being delivered, it's hard to trace, so it's quite common.)

      --
      my sig's at the bottom of the page.
  4. Brilliant. by Snowfox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A better question would be -- "Is this a good way to get a link to my porn site broadcast to a million lonely guys with fat wallets?"

    If this had been a front page story, methinks Anonymous Coward might be retiring by now.

  5. The real question is... by imrdkl · · Score: 3, Funny

    What kind of fringe benefits are they offering?

  6. I can think of cases where it would be a PLUS by renehollan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Lesse... porn... high-res pictures... streaming video...

    translates to BANDWIDTH to me. There's a reason a lot of hosting services won't carry porn, and not necessarily the obvious one.

    I'd think that future employer that deals with high-bandwidth, load-balancing applications, would want someone with technical experience in that area.

    Then again, I wouldn't put PORN in large print on my resume -- stress the tech.

    --
    You could've hired me.
  7. Link in the question? by RadioheadKid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to wonder about this question, IMHO either its a plug for the pr0n site or this person is not too smart. If you were about to take a job at a company, would you really want to advertise the fact that this company is looking for PHP programmers, on a site (/.) that has a lot of people that know PHP reading it. Furthermore, this could also be a clever scheme to try and find PHP programmers for the site, either way, its very suspicious to me that the URL is actually in the question..

    --
    "Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
  8. How much did this article cost? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would like to advertise my business on Slashdot. I realize that the banner ad business is in freefall, but I would like to look into article-based advertising solutions.

    What sorts of rate plans are available? How much does a personal endorsement by CmdrTaco cost?

    --
    Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
  9. Porn on resume by sben · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ignoring the question of whether the submitter was asking a real question or just advertising.... I once interviewed someone who was working at a porn site. Some notes:

    * The site seemed somewhat reputable, which was a bonus, or at least not a minus. (I wouldn't hire anybody that seemed not to worry about working for an exploitive, illegal, or otherwise "over-the-line" site.)

    * He didn't highlight the fact that he'd been working for a porn site, but didn't disguise it at all, i.e. visiting the corporate site listed on his resume made it clear what he'd been doing.

    * The basic fact that he worked for a porn site didn't bother me particularly, though my boss had some (moral) concerns.

    * I think that, regardless of the above point, if he'd had the skillset that matched the position he wanted, we would have hired him. It could be that working in a "backwater" of the industry gave him an inflated perception of his skillset....

    Your milage may vary, of course.

  10. Ruin? No. Make it harder? Yes. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Especially if you live in the bible belt. Good luck finding a manager who won't be wrestling with moral issues... and that is if you are darn good. It can close quite a number of doors to you (simply because of what the manager perceives / believes) and only opens up a limited number of doors (other porn sites).

    But if you're hard pressed, and nowhere else to go, by all means, do what you have to do to live, as long as it is legal.

  11. Short Answer: Not Unequivocally by Spud+Zeppelin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Personally, I've always been of the opinion that from a technology perspective, the porn websites have been out in front of the rest of the industry (mostly out of necessity). So, I would consider it comparable to, if not possibly better than, other industry experience when evaluating a prospect. Plus, how often as a manager to you get the opportunity to look at porn as part of your job? *grin*

    But, I'm not everybody. I tend to hire people (and I've hired four in the past year) based on qualifications, and qualifications alone (although being able to communicate clearly does count as a qualification, so to some extent personality is a factor). Other people and/or organizations might have a problem with it; I would expect that a fair number of the companies, managers, and clients I've done work for over the past several years would, in fact. So, evaluate it like you would evaluate any other position. After all, the flip side is that by some people (hippies, for example), working for a DoD vendor like General Dynamics or Raytheon might be considered a black mark as well. Bottom line is, YMMV. The better question to ask yourself is what kinds of companies you'd like to work for in the future; if your answer consists mainly of the buttoned-down, straight and narrow, you probably should pass, but if it's more of the freewheeling, fast and loose sort, you may want to give the site a whirl.

    --

    MOO;IANAL.
    There used to be a picture linked here.

  12. You think working for one could be a problem..... by haplo21112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...try having the fact that you were once the owner of one on your resume...
    Actually I cover it up well, siting the things I did for the company, and the fact that we had a name that didn't sound like a porn company from the name...thats what I would stress in this situation do they have a "doing business as" name that would be more acceptable on a resume? No one says yuu have to provide URL's when you move on, and in fact in my case because the company failed I CAN'T....although once when one of the other partners went to an interview he gave his prespective employeer the URL...the results were funny...

    --
    Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
  13. Very funny. But... by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Everyone finds this topic a source of laughs. Well..

    Does anybody recall that opinionated cam-girl Malice, of beautydestroyed.com (currently offline)? She lost her dotcom job when her employers discovered her web site and she refused their demand to shut it down. I suspect they were less bothered by her erotic pictures and stories (pretty sporadic and low key in any case) than her anti-religion and nuke-the-world rants.

    Illegal firing, you say? Probably. Problem is, lawsuits are expensive, time-consuming, and not, on average, profitable.

    Bottom line. There's a lot of social prejudice out there. And most kinds of prejudice are perfectly legal. For that matter, even victims of illegal discrimination rarely have much recourse. I can't offer hard numbers, but there are surely a lot of people out there that will simply ignore a resume that mentions porn.

  14. Might be a good righteousness filter by wfrp01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having porn related work on your resume might help you avoid working for places run by uptight ninnies. That might not be a bad thing.

    --

    --Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
  15. I've seen people not-hired bc they did porn sites by harlan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Two summers ago, I worked at a company that made dynamic webpages for real estate companies. Before I left, they asked me to help interview people to help replace me. Of all the people whom we interviewed, the person who seemed to suit job best happend to have previously worked for a porn site.

    Myself and all the other programmers recommended him, because he simply was the best. The managers themselves admitted that many porn sites probably are more technically advanced than the stuff we were doing, and that he probably was very skilled, but they felt that they didn't want someone like that representing their company and interacting with clients.

    They hired someone else, less skilled and less fit for the job over it.

  16. MIT Media Lab by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Well then, we need to wonder about the future careers of the folks at this website:

    Erotic Computing Group - Mit Media Lab
    http://ecg.media.mit.edu/

    [smile]

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"