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Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet?

Anonymous Coward writes "According to NASA 'A major discovery from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope about a planet outside our Solar System will be announced in a Space Science Update on 27 November. The discovery marks an important new capability in efforts to uncover secrets about these newly discovered extrasolar planets.' Given the names of the individuals listed as speakers at this event, plus previous press releases and published papers, it is likely that the topic of discussion will focus upon planet(s) circling the sunlike star HD 209458."

30 comments

  1. New planet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Is it as pretty as Uranus?

  2. Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by Karma+50 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet?

    No. It's a series of photos showing a star getting 2% dimmer as a planet passes between it and us.

    Nothing to get excited about unless you're an astro-physicist.

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    1. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by redcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would prove that it is a planet. There is also a new technique that uses the light of the star, to access the chemistry of a planet's atmosphere. This would be a most effective use for the Hubble Space telescope which is free of earth's atmospheric mess. With the spectrographic technique the Cassini space craft was able to prove that Earth has life. This is the same technique they want to try with extrasolar planets.

    2. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by Karma+50 · · Score: 1, Troll

      the Cassini space craft was able to prove that Earth has life

      Didn't we know that the Earth had life already? I could've sworn I saw a squirrel the other day.

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    3. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by redcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but what it proved was that the technique of detecting life worked. If you detect another world with similiar lifesigns, you can assume that carbon/water based life exists there.

    4. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dumbass.

    5. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2
      That would prove that it is a planet.

      Or a massive alien invasion force from HD 209458...

    6. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by redcliffe · · Score: 1

      No it wouldn't. Because a massive invasion force wouldn't have an atmosphere. They would be in a ship, or a fleet of ships.

    7. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2
      No it wouldn't. Because a massive invasion force wouldn't have an atmosphere. They would be in a ship, or a fleet of ships.

      Or a fleet of ships so massive that it pulls its own cloud of gasses behind it (from the exhaust trails).

      Sure, it's most likely a planet, but you never know when that herd of horses you hear galloping over the next hill might be zebras. :) Such is the nature of probability...

    8. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by efuseekay · · Score: 1

      I am an astrophysicist, and damned, I am excited!

      *duck*

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    9. Re:Photo of First Extra-Solar Planet? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on being right!

      Hey, everybody. Mod this guy up!

  3. This is rather cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But don't get all excited. If we know about it then that means that it's a huge jupiter-like planet, either quite close to the sun or in a crazy orbit. If the results are from the Hubble, then it's more likely to be the former, rather than the latter (because it will cross the star more often). So, no inhabitable planet will be announced :(

    I am impressed that they were able to take a shot at it with the hubble though. I'd be interested in knowing whether or not they could detect the planet's spectrum (wavelenghts of light reflected from the planet) in the glare of the much larger star. If they could that would mean that we could figure out its chemical makeup because different elements radiate different wavelengths of light.

    Anyways, another congratulations is due to the planet searchers. They've really come along in the last five or so years.

    1. Re:This is rather cool by Dunall · · Score: 1

      Actually they were talking of development of a new telescope for use along with hubbles observations. The new telescope will be similar to the SOHO sattelite that currently observes the sun. With the SOHO there is an arm that covers the mass of the sun so that the outer atmosphere of the sun can be observed. This is also what they're attempting to do with this extrasolar planet... They'll be blocking out the star and attempting to detect photons of the new planet..

      Listening to the nasa broadcast was a bit humerous.. If you had listended you'd know that they asked for the nickname of this new planet and the nasa guys said that they had some that called it 'Jennifer Lopez' ..

    2. Re:This is rather cool by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 1

      Just a clarification... It sounds like maybe you're under the impression that they're hoping to detect light reflected from the planet. That may be the case, but it seems more likely that they're hoping to analyze light shining through the planet's atmosphere as it occludes the star. This technique has been used recently, apparently with good success. Umm... actually, it looks like this MSNBC article is talking about this case (planet HD 209458). So check that article out.

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  4. Planets found != life found by Yazeran · · Score: 5, Interesting
    While it is nice to see that the Doppler-shift methods of inferring the existence planets around other stars being verified by an other indirect observation this is not the same as to say that other earth like planets exists out there.

    The planets found so far are all in Jupiter's mass-class and all of them are in close orbits around the parent star. This makes it more likely that they are 'dud'-stars in a double star system, where one of the members did not attract enough mass to start thermonuclear reactions.

    The techniques used to detect these giant planets in close orbit would at present not be able to detect the earth over interstellar instances. Likely not even Jupiter would be detected. This is good news, as there could be literally thousands of earth like planets within 100 light years, as we would be unable to detect them.

    To be able to see earth like planets at earth like distances from their parent star, would require a much more advanced telescope than Hubble. The ideal place for this telescope would be on the far side of the moon, which could shield it from visible as well as infrared light from earth and the sun (50 % of the time). As the moon is also geologically very quiet compared to earth better performance would be achieved. This is further augmented by the lower moon gravity which would make it possible to produce stable telescopes with a mirror-diameter larger than 6 meters, which seems to be the maximum here on earth for one-piece mirrors.


    Well enough said about this. Applaud to NASA for doing something worthwhile.


    Yours Yazeran


    Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer.

    1. Re:Planets found != life found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This makes it more likely that they are 'dud'-stars in a double star system, where one of the members did not attract enough mass to start thermonuclear reactions. "

      Does that definition exclude it from being a planet?
      Seems to me a planet is anything of a reasonable size that isn't currently and never was a star.

    2. Re:Planets found != life found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad you said there is no life there. Somehow it would suck if our history books would say our first contact was with HD209458ians.

    3. Re:Planets found != life found by Yazeran · · Score: 2, Insightful
      no of course you are right :-)

      But some people start thinking Mars or Earth when they hear the word planet, and forget that a planet does not have to have a solid or liquid surface (which most scientise belive are nescesary for life (i.e liquid water)) as opposed to the super critical gasses found on Jupiter and Saturn.


      Yazeran


      Plan: To go to Mars one day with a Hammer.

    4. Re:Planets found != life found by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

      The journey of a thousand light years begins with a single step.

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  5. Photo of planet? I don't think so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to be able to detect the light from the planet before you can take a photo.

  6. media ploy by asterisk_man · · Score: 0, Troll

    is it just me or does anyone else feel that the photo on the page linked to in the story which seems to show a planet in front of a star is a bit deceptive. the first thing i thought when i saw it was that it was the 'photo of first extra solar planet' in question. obviously that isnt the case but it would be nice if that were made a little clearer. although now that i think about it this is probably chrisd's fault since the actual link doesnt seem to imply the exsistance of a photo. how silly of me to believe a /. headline (o:

  7. Please fix headline by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

    s/b: First Photo of Extra-Solar Planet?

    Obviously if the Universe is on the order of 13B years old, the "first extra-solar planet" had long since been absorbed by the expansion of its star, then likely collapsed with the star into a brown dwarf.

    1. Re:Please fix headline by Debillitatus · · Score: 1
      Since we're nitpicking, it all depends on how we're ordering the planets, i.e. what we mean by "first". If you assume that we're ordering by creation date, then of course you're right. But if we order by date detected by humans, this would in fact be "the first extra-solar planet".

      This might even in fact be more reasonable, since it is in fact impossible to well-order events in time without referring to their distance from the observer. By your scheme, the "first extra-solar planet" is not even well-defined.

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  8. Preposterous Idea by hooded1 · · Score: 2, Troll

    This headline and the linked photo are so completely absurd. Current telescopes still lack the power to resolve a star into anything more than a single point, let alone to a full size sphere which is capable of being eclipsed by a planet. Nowhere does the article mention anything about a photo. The picture in it is merely used to illustrate the concept of a planet.

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    1. Re:Preposterous Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir... are an idiot

  9. Here's the Scoop by Sandlund · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011127/ts/space_ planet_atmosphere_dc_2.html

  10. No, it didn't. by Haeleth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A test that succeeds on a sample of precisely one is hardly proven to work. If I find a three-legged cat, I can't claim that any three-legged animal is a cat, or that all cats have three legs. Similarly, if similar signs are found on another world, that doesn't necessarily mean that life exists there - nor does their absence prove that it doesn't.

    Although I will concede that finding similar signs would indicate a possibility of life...

  11. Misleading Science Title by mkasei · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The title of this thread is misleading. The discovery is that the researches have detected the *first* atmosphere around an extrasolar planet. This is indeed big news. The planet is Jupiter size and revolves around a sun like star about 150 light years away. Congrats to the researchers.

  12. You nailed it! by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    They did indeed "access the chemistry of a planet's atmosphere."

    Did you hear a little inside information before you made that post? ;-)

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    1. Re:You nailed it! by redcliffe · · Score: 1

      Um, no actually, how I found that out was in a BBC documentary series called The Planets. They had an episode on extrasolar planet detection, and two french scientists had found a way to access the chemistry of a planet by using the light of the star. At the time I thought it may be hard to do with the atmosphere there, and when I heard this, I figured what else could it be? Hubble wouldn't be capable of taking a direct photo of it, but is very good a spectroscopy.