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OSI Turns Down 4 Licenses; Approves Python Foundation's

Russ Nelson writes "The Open Source Initiative turned down four licenses this week. Not to name names, but one license had a restrictive patent grant that only applied to GPL'ed operating systems. Another was more of a rant than a license. Another was derived from the GPL in violation of the GPL's copyright. And the fourth had insufficient review on the license-discuss mailing list (archives). The one license that did pass was the Python Software Foundation License."

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  1. THE license by chachi8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    how do you think OSI feels about the definitive license?

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  2. From the end of the PSF license: by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Funny

    besides using all caps in an agreement/contract and triggering the lame lameness filter;

    ...OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION...


    All that legalease will keep most mortals a hare's breadth away from comprehending.

    I wonder if "tortious" action is like a gui user dropping back into his/her "shell"?

    {SEG} sorry for the bad puns...I can hear most of you going "tcsh-tcsh"...

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  3. Ummmm...thanks for the update by BillyGoatThree · · Score: 5, Informative

    In other news, I just had lunch. It was eggs with cheese, sausage and banana bread. Now I'm working on modifying the docs for the app I fixed. If you promise to keep me posted on what licenses OSI is rejecting, I'll promise to let you know when I get my hair cut.

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  4. Re:Wait a minute! by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you'd read the GPL, you would answer your own questions. The GPL is a copyrighted document that grants you explicit permission to redistribute it in unmodified form. Thus the GPLed software that includes the GPL license is obviously not in violation, as they are explicitly granted a right to distribute it. What is not granted is a right to modify the GPL itself. The reasoning for this was that if modification were allowed it would dilute the usefulness of the license, as "GPL-derived" licenses might not even be Free Software or Open Source.

    You can however provided added or amended licensing conditions without modifying the actual text of the GPL; for example "this program may be distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL with the added requirement that [blah blah]."

  5. Re:Hypocrisy by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, the entire reason the GPL exists is to promote Free Software; it's the GNU Foundation's opinion that allowing modification of the GPL would not work towards this goal. The main concern is that there would be a plethora of "GPL-derived" but not Open Source or Free Software licenses, thus diluting the usefulness of the license.

    The GPL is, in its essence, an ideological manifesto. Disallowing others from modifying your manifesto is not inconsistent with the GNU philosophy - the only thing they desire is that you allow others to modify your code, not your thoughts.

  6. tortious by wiredog · · Score: 3, Informative
    Tortious refers to torts. Which is the fancy way of saying "lawsuits".

    Legal language has lots of latin in it, and the words have very precise meanings.

  7. WhooHoo! by Arandir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to name names, but one license had a restrictive patent grant that only applied to GPL'ed operating systems.

    And what a bizarre license that was (not to name names). It was essentially the BSD license word for word, with the aforementioned patent grant. Yet you couldn't legally use the software on a BSD licensed operating system.

    Another was more of a rant than a license.

    A delicious rant to be sure. I quite enjoyed it, despite its wrongheadedness. It could not be approved of course, since it explicitly denied its own validity.

    The one license that did pass was the Python Software Foundation License.

    Whoohoo! In this age of a million open source licenses, it's nice to see that a sensible license that fills a gap in open source gets approved while the frivolous crap gets flushed.

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    1. Re:WhooHoo! by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Whoohoo! In this age of a million open source licenses, it's nice to see that a sensible license that fills a gap in open source gets approved while the frivolous crap gets flushed.

      I'm not denying that it fills a gap, but a cursory reading of the license doesn't seem to indicate to me what gap it's filling. Why was it not possible/desirable to license Python under one of the existing Free Software licenses, and instead necessary to come up with another one?

    2. Re:WhooHoo! by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why was it not possible/desirable to license Python under one of the existing Free Software licenses, and instead necessary to come up with another one?

      Because the Python source code was, at various times, "owned" (copyright was in the name of) Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, the Corporation for National Research Initiatives, BeOpen, Digital Creations, and the Python Software Foundation.

      Guido couldn't release it under the GPL, because it wasn't entirely "his" software to license.

      (Google cache of the license)

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    3. Re:WhooHoo! by Arandir · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, you heard of "weak copyleft?" Well this is "stong unrestricted." You get more permissions than the MIT/BSD license (really), but the license agreement must be retained in all distributions. This is different from the MIT/BSD licenses in that they require the license to be included, but not necessarily applied to, any copies or derivations.

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  8. Restrictive Patent Grant License by topeka · · Score: 5, Informative
    The restrictive patent grant license mentioned was probably the submission from Intel, which was a version of the BSD license with patent language added: From this e-mail:

    Intel modified the BSD license in the following ways:

    1. Intel made OPTIONAL the inclusion of a copyright notice (i.e., "Redistributions of source code of the Software may retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer").
    2. Intel added certain definitions derived from the patent license in the Common Public License, and added a license grant under certain Intel patents to distribute Intel software contributions, alone or as incorporated in any operating system licensed under the GPL (version 2.0 or later).
  9. Let's name some more names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    errg, hit the submit button by mistake.

    The Poetic License

    states that:
    "The software covered by this license makes no claims about copyright, copyleft or even copy centre (where you take it down to the copy centre and copy it). Make as many copies as you want, for whatever purpose, even if it is to sacrifice those copies in a great floppy pyre. You may even claim copyright, ownership of trademark, originality or patent. You may even sue the real originator for a breach of your claimed copyright. However, this license can't guarantee that this will be in any way successful."
    (har de har har)

    The CMGPL
    The GPL without a bunch of sections? Which ones, you ask? Mostly the ones that don't count!

    The Intel BSD+Patent License
    Like BSD, but grants a patent license. Patent license is specifically not granted to use under non-GPL OS's, or with modified versions, although copyright license is the same as BSD.

  10. GPL by uslinux.net · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone besides me see the humor in the only FSF item which does *not* fall under the GPL is the GPL license itself :-)

    1. Re:GPL by uslinux.net · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'd like to see one more license added to those two. A good commercial one which allows you to modify the hell out of the source code, but when doesn't allow you to distribute the changes outside your organization. I really think THAT is what is keeping a number of companies from writing open source code (free as in speech, not beer). Of course, that wouldn't be an OSI-approved license, but it would encourage companies to open their code, which is the first step towards building truly Open products.

      I personally don't have a problem with companies restricting redistribution of code (eg. forcing others to purchase it), so long as once you've purchased it, you get the source and can modify it (or distribute the patches to others who have purchased it). My *guess*, however, is that many companies are afraid they'll be forced to support software others modify if they give out the code.

    2. Re:GPL by ajs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, there are a great many other documents, objects and other "items" which are owned by the FSF and are not covered by the GPL.

      The GPL is a tool which was created with one goal: to allow modification and distribution of software. The goal was not (even given the FSF's fondness for recursion) to allow modification of the GPL.

  11. Artistic license by Spinality · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Artistic License is one I like. I'm always suspicious of an open source license that either a) has a polemical preamble that tries to coerce your behavior, b) reads like the team of lawyers who wrote the license are making a lot more money than the developers, or c) presumes that the only good programmer is one who either programs as a hobby, is an academic, works for a big company that can afford to subsidize the programmer's time, or works for an end-user company that can afford to build complex systems strictly for internal use -- in other words, that there's no moral way to be a software vendor.

    Yeah, I know there's plenty of room for argument all around, but my sympathies are with small software vendors who need some way to get enough revenue from 100-5000 licenses to pay salaries. The Artistic License strikes me as compact and commonsensical, and a good model for many situations. And of course it has the coolest name. :-)

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  12. When will they approve the MGPL? by brer_rabbit · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't know why more people don't use the MindGuard Public License (as used with MindGuard). An excerpt:
    A "work based on the Program" hereinafter means either the Program itself or a work containing a portion or the totality of the Program either with or without modifications, translations, transliterations, or transformations. (Hereinafter, the term "modification" shall include, without limitations, the last four terms of the previous sentence excluding the term "or" unless "or" is used to refer to a boolean function applied to modify the Program or any part of it.) Each licensee is addressed as "you", as in the statement "You are a licensee". (The statement "You are not a licensee" will hereinafter have no logical meaning.)
  13. A Good License by Arandir · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After seeing half a million OSS licenses, I have concluded that the vast majority of them just don't get it. I'm not talking about the four "freedoms" of the FSF, but rather the freedom of the user not to be insulted by the licensing. Lawyers may love confusing, convoluted and non-parsable legalese, but the users do not.

    (The following is my opinion, so please read it as such. When I refer to a "good" open source license, I am making a qualitative assessment, and not trying to set up criteria for any approval process but my own.)

    The purpose of open source licenses are to grant the user a broad set of permissions and rights over and above those granted by copyright law. Their purpose is not to bind the user to the will of the licensor. A good open source license must be based on copyright law, not contract law.

    The first thing a good license should do is grant unconditional permission to use the software. This should be so basic it to not be worth mentioning, but you would be surprised as some of the licensed submitted. Additionally, the use of the software should not be trigger for anything else. We don't want any EULA's here, thank you. The second thing a good license should do is clearly inform the user of their permissions. These permissions must not be predicated upon acceptance of any agreement. A permission may have conditions attached to it. If there is anything you wish the user NOT to do, make it a condition. Next the license should have a warranty disclaimer, to assure the user that they will not be sued if they contribute stuff to the project. You may (and should if you're a commercial project) include a real warranty as a separate legal document.

    Notice that I haven't included anything about what you require the user to do. No blanket obligations. That's on purpose. Open Source and Free Software are NOT about making people do things. It is okay to make an obligation be a condition to a permission. It is not okay to make an obligation be a condition to the entire license. Remember, this is about what the user can and cannot do.

    Software licenses as contracts was an invention of the proprietary software industry. There was a time not that long ago when copyright law as very vague as to the status of software. So the industry decided to use contract law instead, and created licenses that had such bizarre phrases in them as "by reading this sentence you agree to the following obligations...". That's bullshit and Open Source and Free Software should have nothing to do with such rubbish.

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  14. My Standard Software Disclaimer by nbvb · · Score: 4, Funny

    This opinion is meant for educational purposes only. Any resemblance
    to real persons, living or dead is purley coincidental. Void where
    prohibited. Some assembly required. List each check separately by
    bank number. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during
    shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or
    implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy
    equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. Subject to CAB
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    affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. Do not stamp.
    Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only.
    Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition
    persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside.
    Freshest if eaten before date on carton. Subject to change without
    notice. Times approximate. Simulated picture. No postage necessary
    if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitutes acceptance
    of agreement. For off-road use only. As seen on TV. One size fits
    all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substaintial amount of
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    to perform. At participating locations only. Not the Beatles.
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