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Physicists War Over a Unified Theory

beggs writes: "I was looking through the New York Times and came across an article which talks about a new front in the war to find a unified theory, but this one does not come from the particle physicists, it comes from the solid state physicists. Here is a little quote for wet your appetite: 'some solid-state physicists are trying to show that the laws of relativity, long considered part of the very bedrock of the physical world, are not platonic truths that have existed since time began.'"

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  1. It's hard to pick a side by fritter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know nothing about physics. So basically whatever Stephen Hawking says about this, that's my opinion too.

  2. Re:We never really know anything by Syberghost · · Score: 3, Funny

    The beauty of creation is that we will always have something more to discover.

    How do you know?

  3. In nearly every field by localman · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sounds a bit like the argument between Java and Perl to me :) There are those who believe that things that are clean and orderly are "right" and there are those that believe things that are loose and flexible are "right". (There are those that believe that life here began... out there...)

    In any case it's an interesting path to explore. I lean towards the loose and flexible side myself. If you saw my code you'd be able to tell ;)

  4. This Makes Me Nervous... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am I the only one, but is anyone else worried that when they finally find the unified theory, "The Theory that Explains Everything," that it'll wind up being Murphy's Law?

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    1. Re:This Makes Me Nervous... by RESPAWN · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just look on the bright side: if Murphy's law can go wrong, it will. :)

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    2. Re:This Makes Me Nervous... by (void*) · · Score: 4, Funny
      Pardon me, that's the Meta-Murphy law, which has yet to be proven.


      One law at a time, one law at a time.

  5. Physics War! by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    General Relativity orders a positive charge, but comes under fire from ballistic missiles. It's time for a negative charge!

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  6. My Very Own Theory by pagsz · · Score: 3, Funny

    IANAP (Physicist, naturally), but I'd have to say that the solid-staters argument makes sense. It seems arrogant to think that the universe must obey these silly little laws we come up with. Mathematical laws are a tool, they simpify the workings of the universe so a human mind can grasp them. But they are not the universe. I would tend to agree with thier arguement that as systems get more complex, new rules come into play. How then can the universe's intricate workings be summed up in a few silly little equations?

    I've found the answer! The universe isn't dominated by some elaborate unified theory, or general relativity, or quantum mechanics, or anything like that. I've found a principle that applies everywhere. Everywhere I look, there it is. The central principle of the universe is: STUPIDITY! It all makes sense now . . .

    Well, at least its the central principle in my life,

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    1. Re:My Very Own Theory by _J_ · · Score: 3, Funny

      This reminds me of the old joke:
      Engineers think the equations approximate reality. Scientists think reality approximates the equations. Mathematicians never make the connection.

      J:)

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  8. Re:natural laws hold true, but values do not by gowen · · Score: 4, Funny
    In everyday work, (yes - I am a physicist) I choose units where c is one. It makes things so much easier.

    At my old university, we simply referred to these as "God's Units". Of course, I'm in a maths department now, so we just write c and leave all the fiddling about with actual numbers to the physicists.
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  9. Re:We never really know anything by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1, Funny

    dude, 42!!!

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  11. Re:We never really know anything by blamario · · Score: 5, Funny

    To quote (by memory) from the Hitchhikers' guide:

    There's a theory saying that, if we ever figure out the Universe, it will be immediately replaced by something even more complicated. There's another theory saying that already happened.

  12. Physics' New War... by __4096 · · Score: 1, Funny

    If the solid-state physicists don't stand up and fight, then the particle physicists have already won...

  13. If only all wars by LazyDawg · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only so many wars were fought so civily, with publication of papers, logic and reason taking the forefront over all that gun-use and wasted effort trying to convince people with a big stick.

    Of course, on the other hand, there's always fighting wars with lawyers and tax-men. That qualifies as throwing papers and logic and math around, almost. Pseudo-logic and semi-science works great when you're dealing with human judges rather than mathematics.

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  14. I think I've got it... by rho · · Score: 3, Funny

    If a solid-state physicist hits a particle physicist over the head with a tree that fell in the woods while nobody's around, we can finally get Schrödinger's cat out of that box...

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