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U.S. Department of Interior Ordered Offline

The whole of the U.S. Department of Interior has been forced off of the internet as a result of a court case Cobell v. Babbit. This was the result of compromises with the Microsoft Windows servers. A judge decided to take the whole of the organization down. Should this judge have this much power? Info here on the indian trust web site. This includes the BLM, USGS and the Park Service. Staggering, really. CD: Hold off on the blaming of MS, it's still not clear.

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  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FP... I like my own nutz!

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Nope, this wasnt the first post...it was the second

    2. Re:Wow by Fecal+Troll+Matter · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Wasn't the second either, douchebag.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Damn, sometimes moderators really make my day.

  2. Re:You know, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ROTFLMAO

  3. Hey Moderator by xee · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Did you not get it, or did you just not find it funny? The joke is that she was pissed off about her kid being in an adult chat room, and she took it out on the Dept. of the Interior.

    Oh well, i guess my humor is too advanced for you humans. :P

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  4. Re:Should a judge by truesaer · · Score: 4, Offtopic
    Its not an abuse of power. The law says that teachers cannot strike, and this has surely been upheld by the courts since lots of states have that law. The teachers are striking, and were ordered by the judge to comply with the law and return to class. Since they refused, they were arrested.


    This is what happens when you disobey a lawful order from a judge. Now, the teachers may still be doing the right thing, but if you want to practice civil disobedience, you might end up in the clink.


    Judges do not have the luxury of ignoring the law, or just saying "oh well" when people fail to follow their lawful orders. Again, this isn't flamebait...teachers may be doing the right thing by standing up for themselves, but the judge is also doing the right thing in enforcing the law.

  5. Re:Blame! by AntiNorm · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    To the tune of "Blame Canada":

    Times have changed, our kids are getting worse
    They won't obey their parents, they just want to fart and curse
    Should we blame the government? Or blame society?
    Or should we blame the images on TV? No...

    Blame Microsoft! Blame Microsoft!
    With all their beady little eyes and their flappin heads so full of lies
    Blame Microsoft! Blame Microsoft!
    We need to form a full assault, it's Microsoft's fault!

    Don't blame me for my son Stan
    He saw the darn cartoon and now he's off to join the clan!
    And my boy Eric once had my picture on his shelf
    But now when I see him he tells me to fsck myself! Well...

    Blame Microsoft! Blame Microsoft!
    It seems that everything's gone wrong since Microsoft came along
    Blame Microsoft! Blame Microsoft!
    They're not even a real company anyway!

    My son could have been a doctor or a lawyer, it's true
    Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbeque
    Should we blame the matches? Should we blame the fire?
    Or the doctors who allowed him to expire? Heck no!

    Blame Microsoft! Blame Microsoft!
    With all their hockey hullabaloo and that bitch Anne Murray too
    Blame Microsoft! Shame on Microsoft!
    For the smiling must stop, the laughter and fun must all be undone
    We must blame them and cause a fuss
    Before somebody thinks of blaming us!

    Disclaimer: The above is intended to be parody.

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    of the Corporate States of America...
  6. speaking of owned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    we got "indianz.com" because "indian5.com" was owned by somebody else

    - ch13f 34gle f34ther

  7. Re:Pulling a Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    fuckoff asshole

  8. Slashdot moderators strike again by fortinbras47 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It never ceases to amaze me how a conservative statement always ends up with a "troll" marking while leftist "all software should be free" propaganda gets marked "interesting"

    1. Re:Slashdot moderators strike again by sigwinch · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      It never ceases to amaze me how a conservative statement always ends up with a "troll" marking while leftist "all software should be free" propaganda gets marked "interesting"
      The really curious thing is that if it were Microsoft using their monopoly over an organization's critical resources to extract extra not-previously-negotiated payments, Slashdotters would instantly break out the digital pitchforks and electronic torches and go off to burn out the Evil Empire's castle. But let a teacher's union do the exact same thing...
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  9. Re:dont tell them how to eat donuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    haha true dat. im down with you yo.

  10. Re:Should a judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I live in the UK - the idea of working with no contract seems ludicruos. Although technically 'the crown' cannot be fettered by contractual terms , the courts have increasingly treat even govenment employees as having the benefit of contractual terms - after all they provide a service in return for pay - to say there is no contract ( even if implied ) is daft.



    what i don't understand is how the US teachers cannot 'strike' , surely if they have no contract they can not be forced to work, because there is no clause saying they must work. presumably if there is no contract then there is no notice period, and if there is no notice period a teacher can just say I am no longer providing my services - but if you want to employ me I will listen to any offer you make. i.e they are not striking but just unemployed for that period.

    maybe some one can explain how the government of the land of the free is able to jail someone who decides not to work when they are under no contractrual obligation sayign they must work

  11. Re:Should a judge [OT] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    i don't know about canada, but the standards vary quite a bit in the states, although you can usually take a test to get a license in the new state kinda like a drivers license, but the test is actually a challenge.

  12. Re:Should a judge [OT] by BlowChunx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I love this US vs. THEM mentality.

    I believe Rodney King said it best..."Can't we all just get along?"

  13. Re:Should a judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    actually the miners strike in the early 80s ( UK )saw pretty brutal police action (and by miners as well ).

  14. Re:Should a judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    if there were cheaper teachers to employ wouldn't the schools just sack the current ones and employ them. It would appear there probably are not cheap replacements with qualifications and experience, in that case the government is using laws to bypass supply and demand pricing.

  15. It's NOT the "white man" sticking it to the Indian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The white man is still sticking it to 'em. It is an extreme disgrace.

    Wrong. It is the white man's *corporation* that sticks the Native Americans. And "white man"s corporation isn't even accurate these days when all the powerful bodies are multinationals.

    I grew up in the USA, and I was taught that the US revolted from the UK because of high taxes and no representation. That is a myth I didn't learn was wrong, until college (which the US government does little to encourage anymore).

    The *real* reason the US states revolted was because the government was DOMINATED by CORPORATIONS. Don't believe me? Why do you think the *government* of Boston charged the entire city with restitution, when a bunch of hooligans boarded a *corporate* trading vessel, and threw tea into the harbor? Think carefully for other examples... Hudson Bay company, etc. The corporations were so powerful it was hard to tell where their power ended and the government's began.

    The early US Government put strict checks on the power of corporations and banks, which is why Thomas Jefferson has impeachment proceedings brought against him. They don't tell you that in school either (or anything else much about TJ). During the US Civil War, all sorts of those limits on corporations were rolled back, and it's been inertia ever since.

    Now the US Commander In Chief Mr. Bush has been given "fast track" treaty powers. This is mostly the same conservative Congress that withheld the same power from elected President Clinton (think about that).

    Now the US can more easily pass un-Constitutional laws... "submarine laws"... that don't go through Congress. These pro-corporate laws will be "integrated" with some new treaty. Integration, as we know, is usually a "take-it-or-leave-it" bundling deal.

    I wish I could sign this, but I'm trying for security clearance, and you can't be too liberal or anti-corporate. Not that that would be listed as a reason of course.

    Anyways, the point of this post was to correct a misconception. Corporations are protected bodies that can stick it to us nearly any way they can find a profit in doing.

  16. Re:Should a judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Nah, the only court with the power to declare a law unconstitutional is the US Supreme Court.

    Lower courts can judge that a given case/application of a law is or isn't kosher with the Constitution, but only the Supremes can really rule that a given law is or isn't constitutional.

  17. Re:Should a judge [OT] by twisty7867 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Obviously, the teachers in your area were paid more than they were worth (hence the grammatical bankruptcy of your post).

    There has been a lot of gnashing of teeth related to the cost of living in NJ - as a Manhattan resident and former NJ resident, I feel like I should weigh in: The vast majority of NJ is _NOT_ an expensive place to live, probably on average with the rest of the US. There are certainly luxury developments attached to the NYC commuting arteries that are priced almost as sky-high as Manhattan itself (but then, why would a NJ teacher need to live in such an area?).

    Now, let's get a little perspective: These teachsers, who make an AVERAGE of $56,000 annually (newbies surely make less and the experienced teachers are definitely making more) are striking in explicit defiance of a judge's order. For what exactly are they striking? What amounts to a _three_hundred_dollar_ decrease in their annual incomes. They are striking to make a point to newly elected political leaders in New Jersey: "Step back! This is a Workers' Paradise and WE are running the show!" Unions are vile bastions of socialism and teachers' unions are the worst of all - stifling education by ensuring that even the least competent teachers are retained and promoted.

    FWIW, I do agree that teachers are generally underpaid - my mom is a primary school teacher in VA and makes less than $30k. However, I think that the root cause is the fact that we get so little for our dollar from the educational system... Urban crime is a direct result of poor parenting and even poorer education. If we paid for performance instead of longevity and/or credentials, we might get our money's worth.

  18. Re:I wish I had a few mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hey TM! How's it going? Long time no see...

    -- spiralx

  19. Re:Yes, this is justified ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Problem is, some of those affected AI tribes never get to see a penny of their trust. I think it was the Black Hill tribe who was the subject during a 60 Minutes report on government [mis]management of AI trust funds.

  20. Re:But hacking is illegal, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Not if it was a hard pen test that was either court ordered or internally contracted.

  21. Re:Should a judge [OT] by Hugh+Kir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A) If this were a Communist country, there would be no need for anyone to have more money, thanks to strict price controls and the fact that everything is run by the State. The desire for more money is a result of Capitalist economics, not to mention our country's obsession with consumerism. Not to mention, a Communist country would probably crack down a lot harder on anyone attempting to go on strike than our country does (yes, I know, we threw them in jail... but can you imagine what would have happened in China?) So this has nothing to do with Communism. (And here I thought the rhetoric of union members being Communists went out with the Cold War; apparently, I was mistaken.)
    B) The price of living in the Northeast is MUCH higher than in the Midwest. I know this, because I have lived in both. $56k went a lot further when I lived in Indiana than it does up here in Massachusetts. Unless you are living in Chicago, in which case, it becomes a lot closer. So $56k isn't as much as it seems like, especially if they have families to take care of.

  22. Re:Should a judge [OT] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Then multiply by 4/3 since they only work 3/4 of the year.

  23. Re:Not Soon Enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Huh?

    I don't either so don't feel bad. Why can't it be a denominator of 2?
    full breed + 1/2 breed add sex = 3/4 breed
    Duh?

  24. Where can I find more information on this topic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Your post is intriguing... Where can I find more information on this topic? (The US & its Corporate History)

  25. Re:Should a judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You don't have a right not to go to work?