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DarrellD writes: "This story on Business Wire points out the new Wireless MAN standards approved as IEEE 802.16. More high speed wireless coming our way soon."
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Can't wait to read about the Wireless WOMAN double standards.
Time to hook up. :)
its too bad that cable companies say its a
'theft of service' (AT&T) to use more than 1 computer on your cable modem.
im sure this will raise more issues on wireless community networks.
i cant wait to get one set up
Could this standard be used to bring high-speed connectivity to neighborhoods? Back home we pay yearly dues to the neighborhood organization, it would be easy to rent out a few T1 lines, or a T3...
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How soon before I can set my cellphone to VOIP mode and wander around town making calls all over the world on my 'unlimited' ISP account?
Until then, my little vaio could get a wireless card and get tossed into my backpack for this purpose.
Of course, encryption and authorization schemes will have to be wildly more strict than the current systems to keep people from 'war driving' even more than they are now.
Plus, of course, this moves the access points out of the homes and offices and into the hands of the ISPs and providers. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing - I like the grassroots feel of the efforts going on now. (Sure, the two could exist side-by-side, but a lot of wireless equipment would be made redundant if the services are cheap enough.)
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I must ask this... WHERE is the SCOOTER? this thread is about WMANs, not scooters. perhaps one should check the thread to which he/she is posting, or you will be modded 0, troll (sarcasm to mods :P)
Wireless Man, Wireless Man.
Doing the things that wireless can.
What's he like? It's not important.
Wireless Man.
Is he a standard or is he a spec?
When he's in the last mile does he connect?
Or does the mile connect him instead?
Nobody knows. Wireless Man.
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Several years ago, when I was working for Lucent, (when they had just spun off from ATT) some of the wireless guys told me that they were working on fixed wireless to replace phone wires. They wanted to setup cell towers in areas and slap pizza boxes (that's what they called them) on the side of the houses. They were looking at digital services so that some wire jockey would not have to come to climb the pole when you want a fax line.
That idea was my favorite until I saw the Sprint ION plan. I think they are both dead right now. I don't know if Lucent is developing anything for consumers like this.
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Aussies have a a wireless MAN access service.
I'd still love to have a neighborhood wireless network. I need to move to a different neighborhood.
Okkkay.. now I'm wired. Thank god.. Oh wait, I can't afford and/or receive said wireless service. What to do?
I'm staying away from ANY wireless "standard" in my metropolitan area (NYC) until I can find a cheap and reliable service provider. Right now my SprintPCS phone provides better internet access at a better value than any PDA based wireless networks in the area. A step in the right direction maybe, but more PDAs need wireless included as a standard feature before this becomes great news for the majority of us.
-nA
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Soon my nefariously brilliant plan will be complete! When the entire world is wireless, I will put my scheme into action. . .
I will march into the financial district 10 minutes before the end of trading on a particularly good day, and activate my powerful cross-spectrum white noise generator and shut down all wireless communication within three square kilometers!
HA HA HA!
Of course, if I don't want to get caught before I put my plan into effect, I should start wearing a turban so that the uber-authority New World Order choreographers will quickly forbid their street level FBI officers from arresting me. Now all I need to do is hail from some country the U.S. wants to annex, and I will be unstoppable. . !
HA HA HA!
-Fantastic Lad
The article doesn't state what magnitude the typical bandwidth might be for an end user.
this is a commercial venture. There are community based wireless LANs such as Airnet and Melbourne Wireless
Should some of my pals all get huge antennae and blocks of ip address, domain names, mail and news servers?
It sounds like a great idea, even windows is ahead on this with XP's wireless lan features [i do believe any PC is capable of using wireless... so why is it one of their selling points? It's just software!]
Could this be pulled off by people with DSL/Cable/Sat connections? Hell, could any old 56ghey serve as an extra uplink?
My point is: Let's turn this out gnutella style. Anyone with Cable/DSL gets an antenna, plugs it in, and leaves it on. He adjusts what percentage of bandwidth he wants to share - and can turn it off whenever he wants. Could serve him because he's got a laptop. He's asleep, he's not using that bandwidth. He's at work, he can't use it there.
Maybe he's neighbor's got one too. Maybe lots of people do, and soon they are everywhere!
Too bad no one would pay for the ISP if their neighbor has his on and open.
I guess we would still need someone to pay for the T1 [or T3, redundant OC-3] and all pitch in. But would it be any cheaper or better?
I guess I'll just have to buy the book. Or wait for this crap to come out from Clear Channel.
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I don't know about anyone else, but personally I live in a upper-middle-class neighborhood whose inhabitants could mostly care less about fast internet access. I believe that my house is one of the few in the neighborhood that has broadband internet access. It would be great to have a neighborhood network, but I don't think most people would go for it.
;). We would have fun hehe.
A) Initial setup costs are expensive for a T1 line
and a server.
B) Where do we put it? I sure as hell would not trust the club house (or pool house), so we would have to build a new expensive structure.
c) Who'd pay for it? Everyone? I think that would make some people mad.
d) Who'd support it? Me? Hell no. I have to deal with morons all day long at work, there is no way in HELL that I will do it once I get home. I think wireless support would be a nightmare... think of all the shoddy systems that populate most peoples houses.... ick.
e) I don't think 1 WAP would be sufficient for my neighborhood.... I think there are something like 150 houses in my neighborhood.... and all pretty well spred out... so that would mean setting up multiple WAPs and that means at least 2 more expensive structures.
Ok, so the people in my neighborhood could afford this, doesn't mean they'd go for it. I think us geeks aught to go together and just buy a neighborhood
Same here man... anyone have any ideas?
One of the possibilities I'd like to come out of such wireless service is always-on-if-in-range connection, but not just in-city. If I'm in another city with the same service provider, I want to connect seamlessly as if I was in my "home coverage area" (quoted because I hope that's a term / concept which it's time to dump :)).
As the network patchwork fills in, I want to be able to use the cheapest / most appropriate current connection available as I switch between areas that have different things available. Merlin, sucks but it's wireless. Ricochet is cooler, if it wasn't out of business. Starband is nice, but it's Windows-only and requires expensive install. IP-over-cellular exists but is expensive. Iridium still sort of exists. Dialup works from Motel 6. DSL, cable have their own sets of goods and bads -- but I'm talking things that could be at least potentially mobile.
Topping off the list of I Wants, I want to be able to cruise around the country (or the planet, but I'd settle for North America) on a Honda Goldwing with reasonable wireless internet access from anywhere I choose to stop.
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I was under the impression that wireless MANs already existed - I know there are several vendors that have products that can push over 40 Mbps up to 15 miles. it's business class service, not for the average home or consumer, but it's already out there. companies like airBand in the northeast, MAE Dulles around DC, Teligent (defunct), even AT&T and Sprint had broadband wireless offerings (though they might have been dropped recently). yes, they require an antenna or dish. no you can't use them with your PDA. there is no indication that 802.16 wil bring these connection speeds to your wristwatch either.
at wirelessman.org there doesn't seem to be very much information unless you want to pay for the draft of the spec. does anyone have any real information on 802.16?
I never thought I'd be picking at details like this, but that wasn't a story on Business Wire, it was a press release. a story would have followed up on the details that were not covered by the release.
The distance will be effected by how much power the FCC will allow us to use in this frequency range. It will may vary from country to country. The IEEE Standard covers how the thing is going to communicate between vendors products (Lucent and Cisco have to play nice with each other). The bandwidth allowed will depend on how many channels we are allowed to use, or the product will let us use. One GHZ channels should be able to pump DS3 or higher speeds...Let's keep our fingers crossed. I'll be happy to beta test any gear :)
IT seems that most of the stationary wireless vendors have packed it in. While I applaud the new standard, it doesn't appear that anyone is interested in setting up the networks.
There's a rumored Slashdot bug that takes posts intended for one story and sticks them in another. And of course it's an intermittent bug.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
We'll have it "real soon now", just like DSL, right?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
1. Finally I might not have to pay the old government phonecompany for a couple of copper cables into my house. (ca 20USD/month in Norway, The same company also owns the cable for the telly, so now way awoiding them yet)
2. If this thing run in the 10-66GHz(?) specter, will it be absobed by bad weather ? (rain/snow)
I believe its tentative name is "Rob Malda's itchy finger." :P
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