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Ford vs. 2600 Judge Upholds Right To Link

AnimeFreak writes: "According to this 2600 article, 2600 has won the right to link to Ford's website after Ford sued them for doing so. Ford had asserted that hyperlinking to their website or referring to it in DNS records constituted a variety of trademark violations. Judge Cleland rejected Ford's twisted interpretation of the trademark act, which claimed that by disparaging Ford's mark and preventing it from 'fully exploiting the value of its mark,'" 2600 was in violation of trademark law by redirecting a possibly offensive domain to Ford's site. We've mentioned this before, and it's nice to see a ruling in favor of linking. Thanks to Phalse Phace, here's a link to the 11-page decision.

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  1. odd... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This completely contradicts the judgement in the DeCSS case. 2600 only linked to the site to get the code..

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    1. Re:odd... by Bocaj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. The DeCSS linking thing was about copyright law, the DMCA (hissss....). Ford was sighting Trademark law. The DMCA was never in play.

  2. next step... by cowscows · · Score: 4, Funny

    now they can buy and redirect wedidfuckgeneralmotors.com

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  3. And in related news... by rickthewizkid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ford is now the owner of "wegotfuckedby2600.com"

  4. BT can still get them though by Stephen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even if they're not violating Ford's trademark, I'm sure BT can still get them for violating their patent on hyperlinks.

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  5. Imagine how you'd feel.... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If someone registered ScientologySucks.com and pointed it at your website, and you had a bunch of freaks harassing you day and night for something you never did...

    Seriously, to register a derogatory domain name and point it to someone else's webpage is effectively slander. Ford did not want its image associated with a profane domain name because that would hurt sales, and they were right to do so. When the average person typed fuckgeneralmotors.com and Ford's website popped up, they would have assumed that the domain name was registered by Ford, and hence, that Ford supported the use of profanity. Thus, doing so effectively disparaged the Ford name by association with what some would consider objectionable language.

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    1. Re:Imagine how you'd feel.... by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well its not like Ford in the early days before his death printed an anti-semetic news paper or anything. OR that dupont supported the Nazis in ww2 and now they support GM.
      I mean its not like it's freespeech or anything like that to effectivly say that you should buy another comapanys products.
      After all anyone can hold up a sign out side of their fence that does the same thing, and who says that they arent employed by one of the companys? Why shouldnt I be able to point my domain name where ever the hell I want?

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  6. Preliminary injunction hilights by Ethidium · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I am not a lawyer, and the following does not even resemble legal advise.

    First off, as some have wondered, this is a denial of a preliminary injunction, which means that the court has only considered preliminary briefs, and found that the briefs were not sufficient to force the site to be taken down while the trial goes forward. This would be done only if (as stated in the opinion):

    1) the movant [Ford] has a strong likelihood of success on the merits; (2) the movant would suffer irreparable injury without the injunction; (3) issuance of the injunction would cause substantial harm to others; and (4) whether the public interest would be served by issuance of the injunction.

    Ford failed to prove these things, thus the injunction was denied. It's a nice finding, but the outcome of the trial remains to be seen.

    One encouraging footnote in the finding, for those who don't want to read 11 pages of legalese (although it's not nearly as bad as some), reads as follows:

    In the offline context, consider a graffiti vandal painting "Fuck General Motors" on a sign at Ford headquarters. While some other law may (or should) provide a remedy, it would be a stretch to conclude that trademark law had been violated. The same is true in this case.

    Also, towards the end of the finding Judge Cleland provides an excellent criticism of the implication in Planned Parenthood and Jews for Jesus that causing commercial harm is sufficient cause for a claim of infringement, pointing out that many uses that are specifically excluded by the FTDA cause commercial harm to the mark holder.

    While the case is far from over, it doesn't look good for Ford.

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  7. When will they learn.... by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will they learn that if someone is linking to their site, they can determine that through the HTTP Referer header and stick in some logic to do some of their own redirection or change the dynamic content. They can surely make the link as ineffective as if the original page had made an error in the link and put in the wrong domain. Or are corporate suits just too dumb to realize they can control something like their own web site?

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  8. Please remember this! by Lan-Z · · Score: 4, Informative

    2600 stepped in when they found out someone got sued by Ford for the domain name fordsucks.com the domain name was taken from the person sued as you can see:

    Registrant:
    Ford Motor Company (FORDSUCKS5-DOM)
    330 Town Center Dr. FPS-Suite 600
    Dearborn, MI 48126
    US

    Domain Name: FORDSUCKS.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    DNSmgr, Ford (DF197-ORG) dnsmgr@FORD.COM
    Ford Motor Company
    1303 Fairlane Circle
    Allen Park, MI 48101
    US
    313-390-3476
    Fax- 313-390-1697
    Technical Contact:
    DNSadmin, Ford (AD2148-ORG) dnsadmin@FORD.COM
    Ford Motor Company
    1303 Fairlane Circle
    Allen Park, MI 48101
    USA
    313-390-3476
    Fax- 313-390-1697
    Billing Contact:
    DNSbill, Ford (DF169-ORG) dnsbill@FORD.COM
    Ford Motor Company
    Fairlane Business Park
    1303 Fairlane Circle
    ITHQ-B
    Allen Park, MI 48101 US
    313-390-3476
    Fax- 313-390-1697

    Record last updated on 20-Sep-2000.
    Record expires on 20-Sep-2002.
    Record created on 20-Sep-2000.
    Database last updated on 22-Dec-2001 22:53:00 EST.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    DNS004.FORD.COM 136.1.1.20
    DNS003.FORD.COM 136.2.1.20

    2600 caught wind of this and wanted to fight for our rights. They then registered fordreallysucks.com. So don't think 2600 did this just to fuck with Ford. Ford started this shit by suing anyone that used their name in a domain.

    I am proud of what 2600 did. Many would not have the nuts to take on a giant sompany like Ford. 2600 forever!

  9. Nobody has 'won' any rights. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is simply the judge denying a prelimenary injunction that Ford tried to impose. The trial has yet to proceed.

    Basically, it looks like they tried to hoodwink the judge into shutting it down based on some loosely similar precedent. The judge's ruling reads quite clearly and concisely. He even states that Ford has 'no chance of succeeding'.

    But.. again, this is just the denial of the injunction.. it has no real bearing on the case itself, other than the judge feels, based on what he's been shown, that ford has no case.

  10. Nope. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry.. Trademark law requires 'resonableness' on the part of the public. Trademark law was *not* created in order to prevent slander.
    Also..'fuckgeneralmotors' is not slander. 'Scientologysucks' COULD be slander, depending on if it's opinion or fact (hey.. it DOES suck.. but that's another story).

    Trademark is not there to 'prevent your name from being associated with objectionable language'. It's there to prevent others from benefiting from the use of your mark, period, or from otherwise 'diluting' your mark.

    Oh.. and please note.. the only mark in dispute here is the hyperlink to 'ford.com'. THey are NOT EVEN USING THE TRADEMARK ON THE SITE. The domain name is not what's in dispute... Ford was trying to say that using the word 'ford' in the hyperlink, because it came from a site called 'fuckgeneralmotors.com' was diluting the value of their mark.
    And the judge called bullshit.

    This is not a slander case. It's a trademark case.

  11. SWIPO.ORG redirected to WIPO.ORG by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO.ORG) and the United States Department of Commerce know how to solve trademark and domain name conflict. They hide the answer to 'consumer confusion', 'trademark conflict' and 'passing off'.

    Virtually every word is trademarked, be it Alpha to Zeta or Aardvark to Zulu, most many times over. MOST share the same words or initials with MANY others in a different business and/or country. For example, the World Trade Organization (WTO) shares its initials with six trademarks - in the U.S. alone (please check). Conflict is impossible to avoid - surely they would have to be corrupt people not to use solution?

    It is obvious a restricted TLD is required to replace the ® trademark symbol. The World Intellectual Property Organisation SWIPE domains from the lawful owner - so I got SWIPO.ORG to redirect to them.

    Seen a domain name you would like to hijack? Order it now from SWIPO.ORG.

    Please visit WIPO.org.uk to see the simple solution.

  12. Re:I can see why ford would be pissed. by geckoFeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonsense. If Ford were just pissed they could've blocked access to their site from fuckgeneralmotors.com. Would've taken 2 minutes if they were slow. Instead they reach for the lawyers. They're not concerned about their trademark, they were trying to establish a precedent they could use to intimidate others.