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Old MIPS/ARM PDAs for Teaching?

Posted by Cliff on from the tax-writeoffs-as-corporate-xmas-presents dept.

Barak Pearlmutter asks: "I'm teaching computer architecture this spring. The course involved a lot of assembly programming, and in the past has used a SPARC simulator. I'd like to get a bunch of PDAs with RISC processors (ARM or MIPS) instead. This requires a development environment that runs under Linux and supports assembler...and some PDAs. The less memory and the slower the CPU the better! Also no virtual memory or real OS to get in the way - best to have direct access to the display and buttons."

"It seems like companies must be sending 128k MIPS handhelds to the landfill at this point, so giving them to us to use in teaching would be a win/win, since they'd get a tax writeoff and some good will instead. But even if they cost $20/ea, that would be fine. Any suggestions on what hardware to use, or what companies to contact? Remember, there must be a convenient way to download executable code into them, using a cable rather than a flash ROM. And we're pretty much a Debian GNU/Linux shop, so a working cross-compiler based on the GNU toolset would be best. An emulator would be even peachier, so students could debug without downloading the code after each little change, although that's not strictly necessary."

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  1. SPIM! by boopus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't really add too much usefull information, but I would question the usefullness of using real PDA's instead of a simulator. I just finished taking a basic computer architecture class from Patterson of Patterson & Hennesy and we used spim as a simulator. If you are trying to learn assembly language, the debugging tools availabel in a simulator are going to be far better, and I suspect any real development(And hence learning) are going to occur with the simulator, and the uploading and running on the PDA will be something you do at the end of the lab as a neat trick. That being said, it'd be a cool neat trick.

    1. Re:SPIM! by jcwren · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My only disagreement with this is that the satisfaction of seeing something run on a real piece of hardware is far higher than seeing the output of the simulator.

      And, perhaps if done correctly, the student could keep the PDA with his/her code. After all, if PDAs are constantly becoming obsolete, turnover shouldn't be a problem, right?

      --jcwren

  2. If you are going to teach computer architecture... by cmowire · · Score: 2

    If you are going to teach computer architecture, teach a real architecture with warts. The MIPS architecture has only one wart, and that was mostly there as a leftover from previous assumptions, as far as I can tell.

    I think you will get much more mileage out of teaching students on the x86 architecture. You can get a good emulator and also run things on a regular PC, depending. Most of your problem sets should fit on a 1.44MB floppy, which means that you can just boot an existing computer off of the floppy drive. Write a few pieces of code to make the student's life easier -- i.e. loading an executable image into memory and stuff.

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    Gentoo Sucks