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Window Maker 0.80 Released

An anonymous submitter points out that Window Maker, the window manager behind GNUStep, is now up to version 0.80. There is NEWS which describes some of the recent changes, as well as a Changelog.

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  1. Improvements by Gryftir · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Maybe it's just me, and if so I apologize, but I have yet to see anything all that new from windowmaker.

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    1. Re:Improvements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right, but it's not a Windowmaker lack; if one needs tons of features there are KDE ang Gnome. I strongly hope that WMaker will never become fat and slow like these ones. Wmaker is a great wm, and definitely rocks once completed with the ultra-fast desktop manager ROX.

  2. Windowmaker (the UNIX way) vs KDE (Windows way) by Bronster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that I've put all the flamebait in the title...

    I'm quite impressed with KDE for general use, but damn is it slow to start and a little clunky to use. Even on a PIII/866 (current home box) with 512Mb memory, it's really not quick. There's also heaps of background tasks running providing 'services' to all those windows.

    The end result is a slick user experience (once you're logged in), but also a more Windows feel - cutesy icons everywhere, preferences almost-all-in-one-place-but-don't-try-anything-tri cky. Widgets that just don't fit right if you resize or change your fonts (I blame this on bad coding - both in Windows Apps and in KDE Apps). A help system that looks nice, but pops up half off the screen if you're on an 800x600 laptop.

    Enough about the off-topic stuff though, to Windowmaker.

    I started using Windowmaker all of a couple of years ago (boo, hiss - before that amiwm a lot (reminded me of the Amiga, and was good over networked X sessions because it's so light weight - looked good on grey dumb-terminals too) - also twm and fvwm on VNC sessions, and on my Sony NWS-3410 which sort of worked, just, as an X terminal on good days.

    Anyway, I've always been impressed with the simplicity of Windowmaker - dock apps have enough room to really show useful information (two wmbiff docks gives the 10 most commonly used mailboxes, mix in some fetchmail or isync and custom mutt command lines for each, and it's a one click mail solution). Back when I was using Linux as my primary desktop on the laptop, and Windows was just a VMware that got booted up for the occasional Word.doc, Windowmaker was a massive productivity boost over the others.

    I still think that if I was using a Linux desktop for work rather than experimentation and games (ksame here I come!), Windowmaker would plain let me get more work done - KDE has too much kruft. With a desktop menu with 3 options:

    rxvt

    * exit

    * save

    - yep, that's it, and a docked netscape (now Opera or Mozilla) launcher, what more does one need? Not much for programming, mail (the wmbiffs above) and web. Any other tools can be launched from a handy shell quicker than navigating those menus. Sure it costs in time to learn, but it pays off bigtime in productivity, and the speed and simplicity of the WM means it's never in your way.

    The improvement in Windowmaker I've enjoyed recently is that windows now automatically appear over blank bits of screen rather than over other windows. I really like that.

    P.S - my config has everything in the top right corner, docks going down, minimised icons going across - 4 virtual screens (Main,Work,Net(Web),Personal) - Netscape/Opera auto-launches on Screen3, Email on Screen2 or Screen4 depending on Mailbox, rxvt's on current screen. All is happy.

  3. Re:Linux needs a standard window manager by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sigh. The best thing about Linux is CHOICES! I agree having a standard window manager may be seen as something that's needed, but I don't really think it is. I have yet to see a window manager that doesn't act similarly to another window manager. GNOME is similar to KDE(Ok I know they aren't window managers but to newbies they seem like it....so think sawfish to kwin) in the way it works and Window Maker is similar to Afterstep and so on and so on. Nothing is so different from one window manager to another that makes them totaly unusable. The only exception to this may be twm (who want's to use THAT ugly thing?). So, since they are all pretty similar one can deduce that a standard is not needed. So what if it takes a user 3 weeks to learn how to change the background? As long as they can use it to do real work, I have yet to see a window manager that would totally baffle a windows user to the point that they can't do work.

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  4. Easter Eggs by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Out of interest, did anyone else happen to check the version of WindowMaker they're running on Christmas eve?

    I did. Freaked the crap out of me until I realised what was going on... (Why Christmas Eve though? Or does it start even earlier?)

    (This was in 0.65, as compiled by those nice people at Slackware, but I assume it'll be in the default version of WindowMaker shipped with other distributions)

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    1. Re:Easter Eggs by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well then try running it! I suspect it'll still do it given it's technically still Christmas, but if not you can always temporarily set your PC's clock back.

      Turn up the volume on your speakers first, and click on the icon thingie for more surprises (especially if you really do want to find out what version you're running, as I did.)

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  5. Re:Choices and the job market. by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hopefully a majority of the community WILL standardize on one basic version of a desktop environment, and office suite, etc.
    That's happened. It's called Windows, and MS Office. If the community happen to switch over to Linux and en-mass choose the same desktop environment and office suite to work with then I'm still likely to stay out of that loop, and further more, I wont believe things have improved that much (except in that PCs will suddenly be $50-100 cheaper and you wont have to buy a new one or else a new OS every 2 years.)

    I don't WANT people to have to learn lots of stuff *before* using a system just to be able to make a choice.
    Well, tough, because they'll have to do that regardless of what system they get. Right now they chose between Windows and MacOS and, sort-of, Linux. In the future perhaps PCs with Windows, PCs with Linux with KDE, PCs with Linux with GNOME, PCs with Linux with GNUStep, PCs with Linux with Enlightenment, PCs with Linux with a lighter environment, and Macs. And for the most part those users will choose either the one that looks prettiest, or looks most like what they've used before, or the one they used on the last PC they had, and they wont have to "know" anything.

    ...except that the PC with Linux with GNOME runs the same software as the PC with Linux with KDE which runs the same software as the PC with Linux with GNUStep which runs the same software as the PC with Enlightenment which runs the same software as the PC with Linux with the slimmed down environment. And that's pretty easy to learn and remember. Hell, most new users think that anyway, which is why they call up tech support demanding to know why the disk with the Mac version of AOL wont install it on their Windows box.

    having a pronounced 'standard' will help encourage people to learn and support that standard more.
    I disagree. What it'll do is discourage anyone who doesn't like the "standard" keeping only those who supported it in the first place with the handful of people who always join a new system.

    Right now the greatest strength of Linux is that those options exist, that it really is all things to all men (or women.) The moment we standardise on anything other than underlying protocols to help certain types of apps interact with other types of app, we screw that up big time. And when it becomes difficult to install the majority of Linux distros without installing some idiot's idea of a One True Desktop and jumping through hoops to replace it with something more to the user's liking is the day Linux becomes just another OS, appealing to just another specific group of people, which in the current climate, means just another also-ran.

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  6. the TERMINAL! by Pegasus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GNUStep, all nice and shiny, but one most missing feature fron {Open|Next}Step is the terminal with the search capability! When are we going to get it?