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Escape from Data Alcatraz

nihilist_1137 writes "Zdnet is reporting on a new information facility that is built to surive the worst.Triangular in shape, two of the sides house offices while the third, a large rectangular block if taken in isolation, contains two data centres, as well as the infrastructure to ensure that Web sites continue to function come fire, flood, natural catastrophy or foreign invasion."

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  1. Foreign Invasion? by InfinityWpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Remember thealamo.com!"

    Seriously, though... you're saying they can stand up to repeated shelling by artillery? Or infantry-placed demo charges? Or anything else an invading force is likely to have?

    WHY????

    If you're being invaded, you've got more important things to worry about than if your company's web site will stay up!

    The other half of this is: What if the invasion is an invasion of illegal immigrant workers? Can this thing survive having a janitor who's been slipped a hundred bucks (three weeks pay) to pull out a wire here and there?

    1. Re:Foreign Invasion? by linzeal · · Score: 5, Informative
      At a certain datacenter facility which will remain nameless we had repeated attempts and successes of theft. All the cases that were eventually resolved were shown to be IT workers, yet everything was blamed on the janitors who were "decontracted" over and over to the point where they had to pay people to travel in excess of 60 miles to clean the place.

      Want to know how we caught one of the fuckers? Get some "Super Phosphorescent Pigments" make sure its NONTOXIC and coat thinly an item that has been stolen in the past and put it in a place where it is easily stolen with no video cameras. Install blacklight in a cubicle, wait till object is taken and invite people to come over and look at it with a blacklight poster. The thief is the one with the glowing hands.

    2. Re:Foreign Invasion? by ZPO · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Simply from the physical construction and security perspective:

      EXTERNAL---

      1 - Parking lot is too close to the building (a reasonably sized car/truck device could do serious structural damage.

      2 - "ram proof"??? Not hardly. I don't see a double berm system. Some of those nice decorative tree planters that are actually 2 foot thick reinforced concrete might help

      3 - No view of the perimeter. Does it have a ditch, double fence line, k-rails to require a zigzag entrance.

      (plenty more)

      INTERNEL ---

      1 - From what I can see all conduits are directly attached to unistrut on the ceilings. Big problem if you take a good shock to the building (ie - it's rigid)

      2 - Equipment is not isolated by springs/rubber mounts from the floor. Same shock damage possibilities as above.

      3 - No water collection trough around the sides of each room. I don't see floor water sensors either.

      4 - Water drip pans under all chilled water and condensate lines.

      5 - *1* generator? For the cost of the facility it would have been a pittance to go with two and have full redundancy when running on local generation.

      All in all it's a decently engineered place. It just needs the final touches...

    3. Re:Foreign Invasion? by dattaway · · Score: 4, Funny

      Artillery? Why worry about carnage when the pen is mightier than the sword. Our laws will wipe out any data center with a series of lawsuits, lobbying, and consitutional rights fiascos. Bombs will be welcome when the lawyers get done with the victim's site.

    4. Re:Foreign Invasion? by -=OmegaMan=- · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would have personally opted for a less Scooby Doo-esque method, like the previously mentioned video cameras or the newly discovered "Security Guard," but, whatever gets ya goin.

      If you really wanted to get crafty you could have used TOXIC glow in the dark paint, then, when someone died in their cubicle, WHAM! Hit em with the black light to determine if it was natural causes or theivery.

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  2. One Problem by docstrange · · Score: 5, Funny

    If we all die from nuclear fallout who will reboot the NT servers?

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    1. Re:One Problem by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 5, Funny

      The NT admins, of course. Total global destruction is no excuse not to wear your pager on the weekends, mister!

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  3. I don't care... by 7608 · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't care if it was built to withstand a direct nuclear attack... give me FIVE customers from the last helpdesk I worked at, and I'll make sure the place is reduced to rubble by day's end.

    Never Underestimate The Power Of Human Stupidity.

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  4. Interesting... by Ricky+M.+Waite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The Ministry of Truth -- Minitrue, in Newspeak -- was startlingly different from any other object in sight. It was an enormous pyramidal structure..." [George Orwell, 1984]

    Kinda scary.

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  5. Good Investment by Rebel+Patriot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At first this seems almost like a joke. Who would invest this much time and energy into such a fortress just to house data? Well... banks for one. Imagine banks from around the world storing their data here in a highly encrypted form, updated at least daily. it would require alot of bandwith to say the least, but wouldn't that security be worth it to investors?

    Less crucial information that needn't be updated regularly could find a home here at a discounted price. Take for example, building plans. Every city, county, and State in America has a plan somewhere for every building its ever built that lists (among other things) the locations of all wiring and plumbing. This isn't terribly confidential information (though it very well may become so for large buildings with a realistic threat of terrorist attacks) and could be modestly encrypted with read access only granted to the owner.

    Copyright owners might be interested in it as a way of saving back-ups of their paper-work that cannot be destroyed by some freak accident.

    I for one don't like these ideas because they represent too many eggs in one basket. When information security is required, it is my personal belief that having it stored in a known location that every hacker in the world would drool over to get inside is a bad idea. History has shown, however, that not everyone (indeed few people) listen to me.

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    1. Re:Good Investment by 2Bits · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright owners might be interested in it as a way of saving back-ups of their paper-work that cannot be destroyed by some freak accident

      That's easy. Publish it on the usenet. Short of total Earth destruction, that piece of work will never get lost.

  6. History by legLess · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the Maginot Line? Impregnable? How easy was it to get around that? Data is useful in direct proportion to its accessibility - cut the connections into this place and it's toast. No frontal attack necessary.

    Also, the article says they can expand capacity 300%. Frankly, that sounds like pretty short-term planning to me. In my experience, it's a rare data store that doesn't double in size every year or two.

    Still, it sounds like a cool place, and probably has a better climate than Sealand :)

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  7. Cheap geographical redundancy, not $$$ gimmicks by EaglesNest · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I worked the overnight shift at one of Qwest's many hosting centers, I loved to give early-morining tours. We'd impress everyone with all our layers of redundancy. The more expensive a system, the more impressed our tourists would be with it. Still, having three different diesal engines - each the the size of a locamotive, or having triple UPS protection, or dry localized fire-retardent, or triple redundant air conditioning and filtering, or three different OC-48 lines isn't the most important thing about redundancy.

    By far, the cheapest and most effective method of redundant systems is to just safe your money and not buy fancy equipment for one place, but to spend it on cheap equipment is several places. That way, who cares if someone takes out an entire hosting center, leaving only a 100 ft dep crater. You still have servers running in California and Asia.

    The Domain Name System doesn't rely on a huge Fort Knox-like system. It simply has 13 (?) different places throughout the world where amazingly cheap (for its importance) equipment resides. Even if North America sinks to the bottom of the Ocean, DNS should still happily resolve.

    Expensive (but impressive) measures are not the answer to reliability. Geographic diversity of cheap systems is the answer most most applications. Today, we have incremental transfer protocols such as rsync that will even transfer massive databases back and forth by only sending the changes. It's largely marketing, unwarrented by technical considerations, that make companies spend so much money on these extra sigmas of reliability.

  8. Wow... This is just too easy.... by Peridriga · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Simple way to take down the site....

    3 Letters.... E M P

    Haha!!...

  9. Using Missile Silos by virg_mattes · · Score: 5, Informative

    > I actually prefer Missile silos for ulitmate security.

    Assuming you mean reusing old missle silos, it's a bad idea, for several reasons.

    1.) The old silos were not designed to handle the electrical load that a datacenter requires.
    2.) Missile silos are designed to protect against nuclear strike, but not much else. Foot soldiers would make short work of such facilities. Think heavier-than-air tear gas or burning jet fuel if you don't know why.
    3.) Missile silos are generally full of asbestos and other nasty stuff that would be very costly to remove.
    4.) Most missile silos have water leakage problems. This wasn't much of an issue when the only thing that got wet was the tail of the rocket booster, but computers are understandably less durable in such circumstances.
    5.) Data connectivity was a non-concern then (they only needed a telephone, and then only until nuclear war began), so getting them wired would be prohibitive. Just about the only answer is satellite link, but that's not secure from destruction from the air.
    6.) Missile silos were not siege-ready; that is, they didn't have weeks of supplies in case they were locked in. The assumption was that by the time they had a problem with supplies, the missile would have already launched.

    Virg

  10. Not so unique... by Biolo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember about 10 years back taking a tour of a major financial institutions data centre based in Edinburgh, (Scotland). The place had been built for mainframes, but they were in the middle of replacing them with a "more modern" client server paradigm (I'm spending _far_ too much time listening to my boss!). This meant that they had collosally huge rooms, chilled to about 10 degrees C, virtually empty.

    There were essentially two data centres in one building, each with its own exceptionally large UPS system with rooms full of wet-cell batteries, and each with two backup generators. Naturally there were separate power feeds into the building (three separate sub-stations if memory serves). The most memorable part tho' was walking through the separating wall - 10 feet thick re-inforced concrete which, we were told, had been designed to withstand an impact from a 747. They were under the local airports flightpath - an airport whose runways will never take a 747, but anyway. The wall runs diagonally to the flightpath, but if it lands right on top they've still lost the facility.

    The thing that always strikes me about all these types of centres is that they seem to ignore (or just don't talk about) the human factor. Most disaster recovery plans are just as bad. Picture the scenario - half of your facility has just been taken out by some disaster, you probably just lost half of your collegues. I won't describe the scene, but you can imagine what horrors might be going on on the other side of the 10 foot concrete wall from you - how well will the average person be able to cope emotionally, never mind how well they'll be able to do their job? I imagine a lot of people simply wouldn't be able to face coming into work in those situations.

    All that said of course, from what I hear those who survived the WTC proved me wrong, but then they were making a stand against the terrorists, and I really admire that. What if though, for the sake of this scenario, the disaster had been caused by human error, natural disaster or whatever. How would people have coped and done their jobs under those circumstances. I think a lot more people would have refused to come into work, even in the disaster recovery site, and those that did would probably have been a lot more distracted and lack motivation, at least once the immediate response to the disaster was over.

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