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UK Government Solicits Advice On Open Source

Imran Ghory writes: "The UK government has put out a consultation paper on the use of open source software in government,background research into OSS commisioned by the government is also available, including a comparision of OSS office suites." Check out the formats in which the document is available.

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  1. Re:Okay... by tmark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    PDF is well understood but PDF now has form input widgets and scripting.

    There isn't an open source viewer that can render these.


    Though you intended your post as a knock on the British government, your post stands as a stronger indictment of open source. If open source can't provide people with a viewer that can render one of the world's most widely used formats, then there is something seriously wrong with the blind faith that the open source world is going to provide the tools that everyone else needs to work.

  2. Re:Okay... by gilroy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:

    but even more important, there are no alternatives that even have a smidge of mindshare - your only real alternative is plain old text...


    Or, um, how about HTML? Which is, after all, the wrapper for the thing anyway...
  3. This is a Red Herring by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
    The UK government wouldn't be in this pickle if they hadn't made a monumental mistake over 160 years ago. If they had seen fit to fully fund Charles Babbage's startup concepts, the British Crown would be the dominant player in information technology today.

    As it stands, they didn't. Babbage went to his grave as a failure despite his pleas for funding, and now the British Government playing second fiddle to some skinny rich geek in Seattle.

    Some say that government ownership would have stifled innovation. Maybe there would have been little progress beyond Babbage's designs. Whiners would argue that computers would be saddled with compatibility constraints like the government regulated telephone system (which to this day remains compatible with 19th century handsets).

    But so what? What would any true geek prefer to have: (A) a gleaming, multi-ton steam powered machine sporting thousands of shiny steel gears, or (B) a stupid beige box cowering under their desk? The answer is obviously A.

    The economics of scale has been directed at the wrong target. Any nerd can easily afford lots of the ugly plastic boxes we call computers, but today even a version 1 Difference Engine would be beyond most people's means. It didn't have to turn out like this. It's a shame, because just like a fine car, chix dig that kind of hardware. (Ada Lovelace, for example. Not bad.) Chix cannot relate to tiny silicon gadgets. I had to expend a lot of extra effort courting my wife using my wits and personality because my computers meant nothing to her.

    I place the blame for the current sorry state of affairs in computing technology squarely on the British government's shortsightedness. Right now, they are just trying to deflect attention from the fact that they dropped the ball.

  4. Govtalk, OSS et al by tagishsimon · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd commend a read of the cited QinetiQ Report cited as background to the current consultation. In fact, I'm quite shocked at how well considered it is; I'm sure it will help readers seeking to convince their management to consider the adoption of OSS.

    Its more than easy to diss Govtalk for its many failings - such as the failure to embrace text and RTF when it has the opportunity; hotchingly bad HTML on the website, &c.

    But there's a great deal of good going on, too; not least the RFC process of which this consultation is a part; and the strong support for XML in the eGovernment Interoperability framework (itself a coherent position statement).

    As food for further debate, here are the main recommendations under which the current consultation was predicated:

    1. OSS is indeed the start of a fundamental change in the software infrastructure marketplace, and is not a hype bubble that will burst.
    2. Within five years, 50% of the volume of the software infrastructure market could be taken by OSS.
    3. OSS's position in large servers (e.g. those managing massive multi-user databases), such as those that underpin many large Government procurements, will grow from its current position of near zero penetration, to a position where OSS is a viable option, within 2 - 3 years.
    4. Within the developed world, we as yet see no sign that OSS will become a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows, for user's (general purpose) desktop machines in the corporate or home PC markets. However, OSS on the desktop may soon become a significant player in the developing world. For these reasons we recommend against any preference for OSS on the desktop, but also recommend that this issue be reassessed by the end of 2002, by which time early trials of the use of OSS desktops may have generated sufficient evidence to warrant a reassessment.
    5. We see no benefit that the Government would gain from expressing a general preference for OSS within server infrastructures.
    6. The Government could clarify its position as to whether there are circumstances in which Microsoft products are to be preferred.
    7. The Government could consider publishing policy as to how the risk of lock-in to proprietary protocols is to be managed.
    8. As yet it is not possible to predict that OSS will make a major contribution to the software applications market.
    9. Many of the Government's risks that arise from over-dependence on proprietary protocols and data formats for interoperability can be controlled by the selective use of open data standards.
    10. The existence of an OSS reference implementation of a data standard has often accelerated the adoption of such standards, and we recommend that the Government consider selective sponsorship of OSS reference implementations.
    11. The rise of OSS, offers the possibility that non-US players will find it easier to influence the future direction of IT infrastructure technology.
    12. The Government should consider using OSS as the default exploitation route for UK Government funded software.
    13. The differences between OSS and proprietary software are not a major factor in either improving or degrading the vulnerability of a nation's IT infrastructure.
    14. We recommend that the Government obtain full rights to bespoke software that it procures - this includes any customisation of off-the-shelf software packages.
    15. The Open Source model offers a new paradigm for funding software in communities-of-interest (e.g. Health and Education). The Government could consider running pilot projects to test the viability of the OSS approach to such software.
    16. We recommend that the Medical Records data standard be examined by appropriate domain experts for possible inclusion in the e-GIF.

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  6. DOC and PDF are real-world standards. So what? by Tsar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't there open-source apps that can read Word documents and PDF files (Ghostscript and StarOffice)?

    And more to the point, why should we expect someone presenting an open-source alternative to a predominantly Windows-based audience to present it in non-Windows formats? Are we really that zealous, that we expect organizations to convert completely to open-source alternatives before they can even mention Linux on their website? And didn't we just cover this subject?

    I grew up in the rural South, and I remember folk who considered it acceptable to use racial slurs when in a whites-only group, because it was safe to assume that most everyone would agree, and those that didn't would remain silent. Thankfully, times have changed—now I have to read Slashdot to find that kind of intolerance.

    If we're going to act like a bunch of militant fundamentalists, I think I might just sit this year out. Please wake me when the zealots stop screaming in the hallway.

  7. Not this again. by Malcontent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody has ever sued MS because one of their products was faulty. No software from MS comes with any guarantee of usability whatsoever. If there is a CIO someplace in this world who thinks that they can hold MS accountable then by all means let us know who this collosal idiot is so that we can sell our stocks.

    The idea of a CEO or a CIO commiting shareholders money to sue MS because of a defect in one of their software is just too funny. It has never been done and it will never happen.

    Please people this kind of fud is old hat and stupid. Think of new ones.

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    1. Re:Not this again. by MrEfficient · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, unfortunately it isn't FUD. And it doesn't have anything to do with being able to sue MS. The old saying that nobody ever got fired for choosing MS is sad but true. It's really about job security. If you go with MS products and something screws up and it's an obvious problem with the software, then no one is going to blame you. You don't get fired, and you get to keep your house, dog, car, and wife.

      But try something different, and the pressure is on you to make it work. If something goes wrong, it's your fault no matter what. The first thing some people will ask is why you didn't use a MS product. The people who don't like you or your ideas to begin with will come out of the woodwork to lay blame. I've run across this situation many times. If you stick with the status quo, no one will bother you. But if you try to change things, even if it's a good idea, you face an uphill battle. Most people just can't afford to risk their financial security on some type of change. It's an unfortunate reality of the workplace, and if you haven't encountered it, you will. It's a real barrier to innovation.

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    2. Re:Not this again. by BluBrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's about perception of trust. Not litigation.

      Senior execs feel that they can trust MS, a large corporate entity that has a proven track record of success.

      It's those perceptions that we must change.

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  8. Re:Insightful or useless banter? by Tet · · Score: 3, Insightful
    you'd imagine they would use an open document format.

    Care to expand on how PDF isn't an open format? It's fully documented by Adobe in the book "PDF Reference" (ISBN: 0201615886 for the current 1.3 version, or 0201758393 for the soon to be released 1.4 version). It's also available online in various places, for example, http://wotsit.org. Furthermore, several independent implementations of PDF encoders and viewers exist, such as xpdf and ghostscript. Yes, many PDFs include LZW compressed data, but that's a problem with Unisys, not Adobe, and there are non-patent-infringing ways of uncompressing the data anyway. Plus, modern PDFs are compressed with the patent-free deflate algorithm. So exactly how more open do you want PDF to be?

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  9. PostScript format for download / printing by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have saved the PDF of the report as PostScript with xpdf for printing or download here (100k).

    http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock/mirrors/ukgo vt oss.ps (300k) for people who don't have compressed file support.

    http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock/mirrors/ukgovt oss.html (170k) for HTML converted by Star Office from the MS Word document.

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  10. My Advice: Go Invisible by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't start by replacing people's desktop's - go on the server end and let linux shine where is truly can compete with the other solutions out there and demonstrably come out ahead.

    Use common sense on the desktop - people can still use Windows and get the power of linux off the server - ssh client tools are available for secure access.

    Don't try replacing Windows on the desktop...you will find that the vast majority of people aren't nearly as obsessed with monopoly politics as they are with using their favorite plugins.