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Speaking Out Against Australian Internet Censorship

edo-01 writes: "The Sydney Morning Herald has an interesting opinion column up that details some of the opposition to the federal government's net censorship laws, most notably from the government of Australia's most populous state, New South Wales. An interesting quote from the article: 'Essentially, [the federal government] does not see that the Internet in Australia has much of a future as a forum for adults.'"

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  1. Virtues by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In theory, the virtues that governments wish to convey look quite nice and noble. However, in practice, they do too much to restrict freedom. What's to stop any 'censorship' department from censoring what they don't like? If any Australian governmental officals hear this, freedom is more virtuous than trying to put a mask on everything. The truth is out there, however people might encounter it, the truth doesn't care.

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    1. Re:Virtues by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In theory, the virtues that governments wish to convey look quite nice and noble. However, in practice, they do too much to restrict freedom.

      As is commonly said "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions". Most kinds of censorship, be they for broadcast media or "hatespeach" come in very attractive packaging. To the effect that they will "protect" the "powerless".

      What's to stop any 'censorship' department from censoring what they don't like?

      The article addresses this to some extent refering to the "R" classification of films. The basic problem with any thing so open ended as "unsuitable for minors" is that it can be perverted to cover just about anything.

  2. I don't think he missed the point by himi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He was commenting about the legislation, not about the realities of how the legislation will be enforced/not enforced.

    And the legislation /is/ important, even if most people ignore it - at some point or other it /will/ be enforced, even if only as a tool for putting some serious criminal in gaol. Just saying that a law will be ignored doesn't stop it from being potentially damaging.

    himi

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  3. Re:How about a techinological compromise by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with that is that no one really gets porn from the web anymore, unless they REALLY don't know what they're doing.

    Between Usenet, FTPs, and file-sharing programs like KaZaA and Direct Connect, there's more porn than anyone could ever look at in 10 lifetimes.

    I can see blocking the adult usenet groups, but how do you block the other stuff? Ban file-sharing programs and FTP access? Not likely...

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  4. Re:How about a techinological compromise by radish · · Score: 5, Insightful


    One question - who decides what "adult" means? Stuff which is legal in Holland is illegal in the US, stuff which is illegal in the UK is legal in the US. And that's only comparing 3 "western" countries, when you start hitting islamic countries (and even, it would seem, Australia) the definition of "adult" changes dramatically. Until every government can agree on what should/should not be censored your plan is a dead duck.

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  5. Re:Statistics? by IronChef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    don't think shooting /anyone/ is good.

    Maybe it is never "good," but if I had to shoot someone to defend self/family I would certainly see the outcome as "less bad."

  6. Re:This is just a tiny bit of a continuing saga by a+random+streaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > WE have as much information as anyone.

    Except for what the government forbids.

    > WE do not worship bits of paper or words that belong to another era.

    Yes. I agree that having natural, inalienable rights is an anachronism, and that the modern concept of rights as "privledges" the government "grants" you, susceptible to the whim of the almighty democratic vote is definitely the way to go for modern, enlightened people.

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  7. Are you quite sure? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can honestly say that the government probably doesn't see the Internet for what it really is.. An Information ground.

    Perhaps they do see it for what it is, and are threatened by the idea of easy, cheap mass communication.

    -jcr

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  8. The only thing children need protection from..... by leereyno · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is censor happy "adults" who think that hiding the unpleasant or politically incorrect aspects of existance from them is somehow a good thing. This stems from our culture's insane belief that human beings below the magical age of 18 are "impressionable" to the point of being human tape recorders. This would be funny if the consequences weren't so severe for the young.

    By the way, I turn 30 in less than a year so save your "wet behind the ears" responses for someone else.

    Lee

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  9. Re:Thing is, most of this stuff /is/ freely availa by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    we don't have things like the US's 2nd amendmant, which was a nice idea when it was made, but is kind of pointless in an age when there's a centrally controlled military force.

    Um - there was a centrally controlled military force at the time, and it had just been kicked out. The second ammendment was designed to oppose centrally controlled military forces - sort of a less organized Switzerland. In addition, it was designed to oppose a corrupt US government, should the need arise. There may be arguments against the second ammendment, but the existence of a national armed forces is not one.

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