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MS Struggles to Discredit Linux

PrimeNumber writes "The Register has this interesting story about a supposedly "leaked" email from Microsoft Windows division VP Brian Valentine. Although half of it is admittedly suit/rah rah speak, the interesting nuggets mention use of Microsofts "Sun and Linux insiders"." The whole email is pretty funny actually.

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  1. Discredit? by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly, isn't "discredit" a slightly harsh, or at least not-quite-right, word for this email? This isn't some mass-media FUD campaign; I mean, it's a motivational email to (presumably) a bunch of sales wonks, encouraging them to try and sell their products. Gasp, call the Justice Department.

    It's not as if Linux vendors aren't out there right now doing the same thing, telling customers they're bug-nuts for running NT/2000/XP. I realize it's pretty funny and/or scary to hear him talk about "eliminating" Linux from customer sites, of doing "walkthroughs" to find hidden Linux machines, like some kind of Secret OS Police. But from a business standpoint, you want to sell to your customers, as much as possible. This is just a reminder to the sales guys, "Hey, don't let any sales opportunities slip through your fingers".

    Don't get me wrong, MS has been Very Bad on many different things, but I fail to see how trying to sell their product should be considered some kind of Evil Act (tm).

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  2. You're right by Wind_Walker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I admitted in this thread that it would be pretty easy to "leak" the e-mail (if nothing else, good old pen-and-paper works great!) but it's just that I'm always skeptical of anything from "anonymous sources". And yeah, you could track things going through the central Exchange server, with a pretty simple mechanism. But still...

    I think you're right; it was used as a scare tactic towards the clueless non-tech people who don't necessarily have the technical background to filter out the hype from the truth.

    Back to my original point, I still think it's a hoax. Maybe it's just my cynicism shining through, but I can't believe that Microsoft is really focusing that much attention on Linux. The hype surrounding Linux in the media has died down, Linux companies are going Chapter 11 left and right... Unless the Xbox is more of a flop than I anticipated, I can't believe Microsoft is that concerned with Linux. I could be wrong, though...

    1. Re:You're right by iceT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think your comment may be a bit short sited.

      Sure. People jumped on the LINUX bandwagon way before they market was ready to accept it, and that means that companies will fold.... especially if they're dedicated to the task.

      The possible exception to this is RedHat. But you also have to look at the stuff that RH has done. They've been partnering up the wah-zoo. Dell server preloads are ONLY RedHat. Most of RH's announcements recently have been in the 'big' arena: big databases, big support. Big.

      Lastly, Redhat is working to make a zSeries port for IBM.

      And those three letters are probably what Microsoft fears more than Linux itself: a LARGE scale vendor dishing up LINUX. If large companies use LINUX with their consolidated servers, then it's going to be an easy/easier push down to smaller/dedicated servers.

      IBM has the cash that LINUX needs to get accepted... PLUS, there are datacenters full of mainframes with support people that love them. If LINUX let's them keep them longer, They'll embrace it.

      Is this letter real? Maybe, maybe not. Based on meetings I've had w/ MS/Redmond people (part of a corporate trip with a fortune 10 company)... it sure sounds exactly like the attitude I've seen from all the employees I've met (including Balmer himself). There's big ego's, big attitudes, and big expectations. Relentless doesn't even BEGIN to describe these guys...

      It very well could be real..

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    2. Re:You're right by dhogaza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IBM is peppering every NFL game with their "The Heist" Linux ad. This ad is selling EXACTLY the server consolidation message the e-mail you so swiftly proclaim to be a hoax addresses.

      The e-mail message mentions names IBM specifically. The last time I looked IBM did not fall into the category of "Linux companies going Chapter 11 left and right".

      And the "escalation center" rings like it could be true, too. They're not fighting Debian - they're fighting IBM. IBM is clearly targetting MS in its current marketing campaign, so MS taking specific steps to counter them makes fine sense.

      Now ... it may be a hoax. But not for any of the reasons you mention.

  3. ALWAYS consider intentional disinformation. by AgTiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always consider that leak is intentional, and that you have been specifically targeted as part of a disinformation campaign. Ask yourself what purposes might exist in getting you to buy into the message. Be skeptical, it pays off. My own impression is that this message was too convenient and is attempting to convince me to underestimate Microsoft, or to misdirect me away from where their real efforts are. Just look at the opening lines - it's practically _begging_ to be "leaked". Of course, that's just my opinion...

  4. Re:Exchange? by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can track emails, even if someone prints it out and mails it, rewrites it by hand (with a pencil), or even speaks it over the phone. It's called Steganography, and it hides information by subtly changing the punctiation and spelling, or by changing the text (omission or inclusion of various words/sentences). For all we know, the sent line "Sent: Wed 1/2/2002 1:14 PM" indicates that employee #114 leaked the info.

    Incidently, it's just barely 2 pm here the US east coast... sure, this is a worldwide email, but in Redmond it's still 11 am, not 1:14 pm.

  5. Who cares? Show that you don't ... by Jobe_br · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone looking to see if all those Linux folk are still zealots w/r/t Linux v. Microsoft would only need to measure the response to a story like this. Do you hear that sucking sound? That's the sound of many fine folks wasting their time and energy on bashing Microsoft, their products, their practices, their religions ...

    It doesn't need to be like this, folks. Speak with your wallets, speak with your advice to people who seek out your opinions, speak with your civil rights as a citizen of a free country (whichever country that might be!) Don't buy Microsoft products if they aren't any good or if you have ideological reasons not to (this is always your dime, as people say). If you're asked for your opinion on technology, recommend Open Source products if applicable or products produced by competitors of Microsoft if they are better, or if you have ideological reasons not to recommend Microsoft products. Write your senators, representatives, school board members, and city council members about your opinions. Propose alternatives to Microsoft packaged solutions. Maybe your solution costs less, maybe its more reliable, maybe it just makes the point of not supporting a company found guilty of anticompetitive practices, whatever.

    Summing up: who cares what Microsoft thinks of Linux, don't waste your time on fruitless flames, trolls, op-ed, etc. that merely 'sings to the choir'. Do something that counts or don't do anything at all. Perpetuating the opinion of others, that all folks involved with Open Source are anti-Microsoft zealots doesn't gain us favor in areas that might provide some of us Open Source advocates money in the future. Its all about impressions when dealing with conservative (or even just fiscally minded) executives. A sure thing is always going to be better than the latest underground trend.