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Another New State of Matter

Posted by michael on from the paler-shade-of-midnight dept.

llamalicious writes: "And you thought a Nobel Prize for the discovery of Bose-Einstein Condensates was nifty, SciAm's reporting that scientists are taking this new discovery one step further, and have once more proven that we don't really know anything about quantum physics. This new state is being called a patterned fluid, which could supposedly move the field of quantum computing ahead."

13 comments

  1. That really cool by TheGonzoKid · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That's really cool just a few billionths of a degree above zero. I was always fascinated by quantum effects on super cooled liquids. Like that one experiment where water climbs out of the glass. I forget who it was that said, "If you think you understand Quantum Physics you don't"

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    1. Re:That really cool by jnana · · Score: 3, Informative

      The author of that quote is uncertain, but there's a 99.999% chance that it was Richard Feynman--in this universe, at least.

  2. Am I missing the point? by dragons_flight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reading the article and looking at the group's website, this doesn't seem all that special. In fact, unless I'm misinterpreting the result, it seems that you could build a Mott insulator with any kind of supercold gas. The real accomplishment was using a Bose-Einstein condensate to very easily construct an arrangement of atoms that would otherwise be technologically very hard. That they did it by means of a quantum phase transition (adjusting the parameters of the potential to produce a qualitative different wave function) is cool, but not exactly new.

    It's a neat hack, and I can imagine uses for being able to turn a BEC on and off at will, as well as for atomic arrays, but it just doesn't grab me as being all that radical. I would question calling it a new state of matter. More like a unusual way to make a very special kind of gas. Of course, I might just be missing something.

    1. Re:Am I missing the point? by dabacon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The real accomplishment was using a Bose-Einstein condesate to very easily construct and arrangement of atoms that would otherwise be technologically very hard

      Yep. While, as mentioned, you could do this with any supercold gas, the important point is that one should be able to use this to create uniformly populated optical lattices. This would be great for doing things like [hype mode on]building a quantum computer![hype mode off]

      Also neat is that this looks like a nice clean system for studying a quantum phase transition, but calling it a new state of matter is a bit odd. As far as I know, the observation of a Mott Insulator is nothing new...though in the context of supercold atomic systems this is probably new.

      Interestingly, when I searched Google for Mott Insulator, this experiment was the first to come up! Wow.

      Dabacon

    2. Re:Am I missing the point? by Analog+Squirrel · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If I understand the Nature summary correctly, the patterned fluid is analagous to a Mott insulator... I think what is considered to be new is the state that produces this effect - the article is careful to state that it is not a heat related phenomena, but one driven by the Heisenberg principle - that is the optical system doesn't heat the fluid up to produce a standing wave - the wave is a result of a more fundamental principle....

      Of course, it has been a long time since I slept through quantum mechanics, so I've probably missed just as much, if not more than you.... :-)

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    3. Re:Am I missing the point? by mshiltonj · · Score: 0, Troll

      The real accomplishment was using a Bose-Einstein condensate to very easily construct an arrangement of atoms that would otherwise be technologically very hard. That they did it by means of a quantum phase transition (adjusting the parameters of the potential to produce a qualitative different wave function) is cool, but not exactly new.

      I agree totally. Like when Jerry hit Tom over the head with a giant mallet and smashed his head into a pancake? I was like, Bugs Bunny did that to Yosemite Sam 20 years earlier! It was still funny when the eyes bugged out like spring coils, but it wasn't new at all. So I know exactly where you're coming from.

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    4. Re:Am I missing the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we are all a little bit dumber thanks to your post.

    5. Re:Am I missing the point? by Tessera · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was what I read it as too. I know just a little about Mott insulators, but from what I know, this isn't a Mott insulator. All they're saying is that this is the kind of thing that happends in an MI, but for much different reasons. Instead of the wave being produced by the heat introduced, it's because of the inherent quantum fluctuations. That's like saying that since Coulomb's law looks just like the theory of gravity, that Coulomb didn't do anything special. (Or maybe it's not, I was never good at analogies...)

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  3. State of Matter? by scott_oooo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone know of a good difinition of a "State of Matter"? I think it is just one of those buzzwords some of the press used to grab attention for a science story.

    This certainly isn't a new phase of matter (like solid/liqud/gas etc) because I believe the thermodynamic definitions of phase changes involve how the heat capacity (or enthalpy) changes with temperature. This change in property of the BE gas is due to changing the LASER settings, not the temperature.

    1. Re:State of Matter? by lines · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you plot temperature (degrees C, for example) vs heat added (Joules, calories, etc), you'll see that during phase changes, the temperature stays constant until all of the matter has changed to the new phase. For example, during the change from solid to liquid, all the heat goes to the phase change (the heat of fusion) and not to changes in temperature. I Am Not A Chemist/Physicist, but to me this constitutes a good starting point to the definition of phase changes and states of matter.

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    2. Re:State of Matter? by Tessera · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's the way it works for the normal three, but I don't know that you can extend that definition to some of these new "states of matter". You can't exactly say that if you heated a BEC (Bose-Einstein Condensate) up, the energy would go into turning it into a solid, can you? (It wouldn't, it would sublimate (?) into a gas again, but that's not the point.) But that doesn't mean that it's not a new state of matter, (necessarily) it just means that the old definition can't be applied.

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  4. why its useful, also its been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prof. Kasevich at yale has already succeeded (though I'm not sure who did it first or whether they were in collaboration with each other) in making such a state. you can find it at yale AMO website. Such a state might be useful for many things. One thing they have done with it is to tilt the lattice creating a sort of staircase. In this scenario the gas can coherently flow down the staircase. When you have something moving with well-defined phase you have a laser. Lasers are useful for interferometry experiments and many other things.