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Defamation, Free Speech, Jurisdiction and the Net?

An anonymous reader asks: "I'm writing a legal article on jurisdiction and defamation via the web. There seems to be a trend in various national courts (eg the UK, Australia, Malaysia) to treat the place where a web-page is *read* (ie browsed) as the place of publication of its contents, regardless of where the page or the server serving it are located. This has far-reaching ramifications, as it opens up anyone publishing anything on a web-site (and also Usenet) in America to the more restrictive domestic laws of other countries -- not just for slander/libel/defamation, but also treason, lese-majestie, hate speech and general censorship laws (think Yahoo and France). Does anyone have personal, practical experience of being threatened by foreign governments or government bodies for material put up on the Net? Or is it just an inevitable consequence, to be overcome by geographical tagging of a browser's location (think icravetv.com) or similar measures?"

"Many people assert that informed Netizens see this as a way of fragmenting the Net, of imposing geographic boundaries and destroying part of the fundamental location-agnostic nature of the web and the Net -- ie, that it's a Bad Thing. Is this really so? Does anyone see this as a good, or at least a neutral, thing?"

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  1. Calculus Orgasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have them all the time. I love my calculus so much. I want to dance on a calculus book, naked!

  2. Mensaaaaaaje by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    El mensaje primero!

  3. first defamation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  4. Unhappy by arkannis · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I Never get first posts. :(

  5. Somewhere in Tibet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Initiate: *browsing the web* "Wow."

    Monk: "Ah, young one, you have made a discovery. From Ah-may-rika."

    Initiate: "It's wonderful! But I don't understand."

    Monk: "Natalie Portman."

    The Zen student was enlightened.

  6. Page-lengthening posts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ^_^

  7. Test this: @# +5 ; Politically Correct #@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    My complaint about Jon Katz:

    My complaint about John Katz

    May I be cynical for a bit? I hope you don't mind,
    but with Katz's latest barrage of
    malodorous notions, I can't resist the urge to make a
    few cynical comments. To get right
    down to it, some of the facts I'm about
    to present may seem shocking. This
    they certainly are. However, it's time that a few
    facts had a chance to slip through the fusillade of hype.
    What's my problem, then? Allow me to present it
    in the form of a question: Where are the people
    who are willing to stand up and acknowledge
    that Katz, in his infinite wisdom, has decided
    to destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests?
    On the surface, it would seem to have something to do
    with the way that his whole approach is repugnant.
    But upon further investigation, one will find that
    by allowing Katz to put mephitic thoughts in our
    children's minds, we are allowing him to play puppet master.
    As for the lies and exaggerations, Katz's
    epigrams are rife with contradictions
    and difficulties; they're entirely maladroit,
    meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited
    for a supposedly educated population.
    And as if that weren't enough, if Katz is going to
    obstruct important things, then he should at least have
    the self-respect to remind himself of a few things: First, a
    true enemy is better than a false friend. And
    second, many people respond to his debauched vituperations
    in much the same way that they respond to television
    dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but
    they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything
    about them. That's why I insist we pronounce the truth
    and renounce the lies.

    Even people who consider themselves scornful
    foolhardy-types generally agree that Katz's slurs
    symbolize lawlessness, violence, and misguided rebellion
    -- extreme liberty for a few, even if the rest of us
    lose more than a little freedom. One might conclude
    that Katz is incapable of writing a letter without using
    such phrases as "crapulous pop psychologists", "loquacious
    exhibitionists", "oppressive personae non gratae", or
    some combination thereof. Alternatively, one might conclude
    that Katz has a different view of reality from the rest of us.
    In either case, if you're not part of the solution,
    then you're part of the problem. His historical record of
    fickle pleas is clearer than the muddled pronouncements
    of his apple-polishers for a variety of reasons. For
    instance, the worst sorts of inconsiderate Neanderthals there
    are must be treated with political justice, not with
    civil justice, as they are sincerely not real citizens. Let me
    rephrase that: I wonder if he really believes the
    things he says. He knows they're not true, doesn't he?
    A complete answer to that question would
    take more space than I can afford, so I'll have to give
    you a simplified answer. For starters, if
    we let him cause riots in the streets, then greed,
    corruption, and tribalism will characterize the government.
    Oppressive measures will be directed against citizens.
    And lies and deceit will be the stock and trade of the
    media and educational institutions.

    Even Katz's bedfellows couldn't deal with the full impact of
    Katz's refrains. That's why they created "Katz-ism," which is
    just a garrulous excuse to force square
    pegs into round holes. He plans to drag everything
    that is truly great into the gutter. He has instructed
    his votaries not to discuss this or even admit to his
    plan's existence. Obviously, Katz knows he has
    something to hide. Most of you reading this letter
    have your hearts in the right place. Now
    follow your hearts with actions. I have traveled the length and
    breadth of this country and talked with the best people. I can
    therefore assure you that Katz's artifices cannot stand on
    their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate
    artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that Katz's
    warnings can give us deeper insights into the nature of
    reality. We can and we must protect ourselves by any means
    necessary against the unrestrained bestiality
    of stupid, quasi-macabre paper-pushers. And that's the honest truth.

  8. Three words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have but only 3 words for any foreigners who are upset at what I say on the web and want to sue.

    Go F*** Yourself

  9. suckle the news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic



    This is felching a dead horse.

    Give us stories of right now, not some retro-litigation.