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Linuxwatch Budget System of 2001

A reader writes "Linuxwatch.org has posted their Budget System of 2001 in response to LinuxHardware's 2001 System of the year. Boasting their system is 13% of the price and plenty of power for "normal users". Running at 1.4Ghz with 256MB RAM, it doesn't seem to bad for "normal users"(whatever that means)IMHO."

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  1. And they wonder why sales have dropped... by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "average user" is someone who surfs the web, sends the occasional e-mail, and writes letters. And that user does not significantly benefit from a ghz-class machine. Put them on an "old" 700mhz machine from a couple of years ago, and they do just fine. More and more individuals and businesses are realizing that the computers that they already own work fine for what they do. People no longer drum their fingers waiting for programs to load, files to compress, and spreadsheets to recalculate.

    Sure, there are a handful of people who really do need fast machines, but, as Apple has realized, you don't need to have ghz+ machines to satisfy the average user.

    1. Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 5, Informative

      Keep in mind that the average Linux user - even if he/she isn't a programmer - spends a fair amount of time compiling software.

      And for compiling software, processor speed makes more of a difference than just about anything else.

      Besides, even though this is a budget computer, you don't want the absolute cheapest computer ever, you want something with a reasonable price/performance ratio. Processors slower than this one give you a lot less performance for hardly any savings, while faster than this one give you a little bit more performance for a lot more money.

    2. Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... by drix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Precisely. In fact, I'd go ever further and say that, if you spend a lot of time compiling, you should always forego getting the fastest processor and the market and buy 2 of whatever costs half the price, and build yourself an SMP box. First, the performance gain with SMP is basically linear for compilation, assuming you're using a good value for make -j. Second, it's been my experience that a pair of 700Mhz PIIIs usually beats my 1.5Ghz P4 handily for kernel compiles and many other things. Granted it's kind of comparing apples to oranges but it's a starting point.

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  2. I'm in budget territory by stevens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad they highlight the budget system. As a software developer, I find most of my desktop cycles are spare. Even builds I do on a server. Budget systems can do more now than supercomputers a few years ago.

    What the computer industry really needs are some breakthroughs in software development to enhance stability and usability.

  3. Hardware Prices vs Software by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting to see how prices for hardware continually drops while software prices (Non-free as in beer software) maintain or increase in price. The total system cost for machine listed in the article is $399..Now, let's add Windows...$99, an office suite $150, anti-virus software, $59...We've almost immediately doubled the price of the machine by merely adding functionality. This is quite possibly why people accept paying extragavant prices for software; it's a trade-off..lower prices for hardware, higher prices for software = maintain status quo of computer system pricing.

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  4. Good for a lot by JanneM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like really fast systems; I simulate brain areas for a living (or, well, for a PhD), and like lots of speed. The reality is, however, that even with an application like that, I spend a very small time actually running the simulator, and most of my time in an editor, writing code, writing papers, or writing grant proposals. This system, overall, would probably make me just as happy as a biggest-bang-of-all kind of product.

    The only app I can think of that would require the best PC available (and that does not simply require the fastest system) is games. You want to run really serious simulations or hardware design apps? Well, get a big workstation or a PC cluster or something. You want to run smaller stuff? Run it on an ordinary PC, maybe get a cup of coffee while it churns - or get some text written while the simulator is working.

    We're approaching the inflection point where it simply does not apply to get steadily faster, more potent computers. Last years machine - or that of three years ago - will do pretty much everything you throw at it. Not even MS has been able to increase system requirements at the same speed hardware has improved for the last couple of years.

    /Janne

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    Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
  5. Not a complete system.. by roguerez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I tried to post a comment at that site, but it seems their comments system is down (slashdotted?). Anyway, I'll post it here:

    I miss a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse, a floppy drive and a cpu cooler (you'll need a good one with that CPU: it will not burn out your pocket, but WILL burn out itself and your motherboard if you don't cool it properly).

    Furthermore, keeping a cdrom drive out of the equation isn't really honest. Almost any desktop box needs one. I don't know whether a NIC is included in the "system of the year", but this is the same as for a cdrom: almost any desktop box needs one.

    I guess we can double the price for this so called budget system, because working without input and output devices (silly unneeded things like a monitor/keyboard etc) is a bit difficult.

  6. Uncreative System by tempmpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think there system lacks any creativity. Now that you can buy all the processing power an average user needs very cheaply, why do they just make a budget system centered on performance ?
    They should made a system centered on low noise or one that has good look or something other that isn't found in every system now.
    What about making a small and quite system using a shuttle sv24 barebone with a passive cooled c3 ? Or a dual duron ?
    And why did they just use 256 mb ? Now that ram is that cheap, they should brought at least 512 mb while that 1.4 ghz athlon isn't really needed. Or what about ECC sdram ?

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    Jan
  7. It sure beats no sound card.... by 2Bits · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In our company, computers are not even allowed to have sound card, coz:

    • Employees are sitting too close to each other, sound card would just disturb other people
    • Everyone is in one big room (for better communication between employees, that's what we're told), so no sound insulation
    • Sound card does not add any value to coding and debugging
    • The company is against pirating music from Napster
    • The company is against sound pollution
    • The company is a software development house, not a music content creator
    • You are supposed to work, not listen to radio during company's time
    • It saves money for the company. When the company makes profits, everyone will be better off (last time I checked, the company's making profit, and those who are better off seem to all have pointy hair. Well, we don't have snacks anymore, as this is not healthy. So I guess we are better off too...)