Slashdot Mirror


Quantum Gravity Observed

Lawrence_Bird writes "AIP News is reporting the first observations of quantum gravitational states by researchers in Grenoble using a beam of ultra cold neutrons. This is an incredible observational achievement when you consider the energies involved - order of 1 pico electron volt (10^ -12eV). The full paper is in the 17 Jan Nature."

3 of 224 comments (clear)

  1. Not 'Quantum gravity' by Viadd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is not evidence of quantum gravity, as the term is usually used.

    Instead, the neutron is in a quantum state in a potential well. The fact that the potential well is due to gravity, rather than electrical or some other force, has nothing to do with the quantum nature of gravity itself.

    Quantum gravity would be if the gravitational force itself were quantized, rather than the neutron state.

    That doesn't mean that it isn't a great achievement in a difficult experimental field, which can be used to test fundamental physics including theories of gravity. It merely means that the /. headline is misleading.

  2. Very misleading, not "proof of quantum gravity"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I should be doing my GR homework right now, but as someone who's working toward a Ph.D. in quantum gravity, I feel I should comment before the posts run rampant.


    This is not what a quantum gravity researcher would call "a test of quantum gravity", insofar as it does not demonstrate that the gravitational field is quantized. What this is, is a test of the effects on quantum matter of a classical gravitational field. In other words, as the Nature article says, it shows that gravity "can have a quantum effect" on other particles. But it does not show that gravity itself is quantized.


    If you have a classical potential well, such as that due to a Maxwellian electric field, or a Newtonian or general relativistic gravitational field, a matter particle in that potential well will exhibit quantization of energy, momentum, etc. As the article says, this happens when the well is confining (when you don't have enough energy to escape the well).


    An example is the energy levels of an electron in the electric field of an atomic nucleus, the standard orbitals you get when you solve the ordinary Schroedinger equation. Note that this assumes a potential due to an ordinary, classical electric field.


    There are atomic effects due to the quantized electromagnetic field, like the quantum electrodynamics (QED) corrections to the Lamb shift coming from vacuum pair production. They crop up when you assume that the electromagnetic field is made up of individual quanta (photons). These effects are much smaller than the dominant, lowest-order classical effect.


    So, what these researchers have done is demonstrated that a classical gravitational potential well can lead to quantized observables for matter, like the electronic orbitals of an atom. This is interesting by itself, because the gravitational field is so weak that the Earth's gravitational potential well is relatively much more "shallow" than the electric potential well of an atomic nucleus, as far as the strengths of the forces are concerned.

    However, they have not shown that the gravitational field is itself quantized, any more than the quantized orbitals of electrons demonstrate the electromagnetic field is quantized. So they have not provided evidence for quantum gravity (i.e., a quantized gravitational field), any more than Bohr's law for atomic energy transitions provides evidence for QED.


    True tests of quantum gravity are much harder than even this difficult experiment. To read about some proposals, try this paper on Planck scale phenomenology by Amelino-Camelia. (You can also see some of his other papers.)

  3. Quantum Gravity? Not here... by m5brane · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Just to clarify, what's being talked about here is not what physicists usually refer to as 'quantum gravity'. Quantum gravitational effects are relevant at *extremely* large energies, much larger than the energy scales that characterize the processes that we associate with typical particle physics phenomena. It is very unlikely that we will learn much of anything about quantum gravity by looking at such low energy processes as the ones described in this story. There are some scenarios that bring down the scale that characterize quantum gravity to something on the order of TeV, but those are speculative.
    Furthermore, learning about quantum gravity *does not* mean that we toss General Relativity. Regardless of what kind of physics goes on at the Planck scale, GR is absurdly accurate over a tremendous range of energies, much more so than we have any right to expect. For instance, even if we develop a consistent theory of Quantum Gravity you'd never use it to explain how the orbit of Mercury differs from the predictions of Newtonian
    celestial mechanics, GR does this with as much precision as we'll ever be able to measure.
    The results of the experiment in this story, while they may have to do with quantum mechanics in an external gravitational potential, are not the result of quantum gravity effects.