P4 2.2GHz Overclocked to 3.5GHz

GraveD sent linkage to a site explaining how a homemade nitrogen cooling system overclocked a P4 from 2.2Ghz to an incredible 3.5ghz. There's plenty of stuff to poke at over there. Update: 01/17 20:42 GMT by T : boaworm writes: "According to this paper, the Finnish geeks have successfully oveclocked a Pentium 4 to 3675 Mhz. They claim it is a new World Record, and it sure looks like they beaten another O/C'd Pentium 4 submitted earlier today on slashdot. (Summary in English in the end)."

Comments

I haven't seen it!

[Anonymous Coward]

Unless you've been living in a cave, you've seen Oracle's Unbreakable campaign

I guess I've been living in a cave.

Reverse Psychology

[NiftyNews]

Wouldn't it be great if the inverse also worked?

MS could just announce that "Our software code is like swiss cheese when it comes to security" and #POOF#, all the holes would be sealed for good.

Same as with the Titanic...

[quigonn]

...unsinkable didn't mean unsinkable, after all...

My favorite quote:

[Anonymous Coward]

Apparently they hired Bill Clinton to head their PR Dept. Look at this quote:

everything depends on what your definition of "unbreakable" is.

It may also depend on what your definition of "IS" is.

Re:Security Myth

[puppy0341]

yeah, but how to get an security analyse for free?
Announce your softaware is unbreakable :)

Slashdot New Flash...

[gpinzone]

...impossible claim proved wrong. Film at eleven. I can't tell if Ellison's claim that Oracle was bulletproof was the act of a madman or genius. Why genius? Nothing gets security experts to test your software with such vigor than when you tell them it's invulnerable. Question is, does this make the NSA more or less secure in choosing Oracle products?

Re:You mean to tell me...

[Jburkholder]

3 words..

White Star Line

Does seem to be tempting fate to say "unbreakable", doesn't it>

And this comes from...

[denzo]

the guy who wants all Americans to be on a unified national ID card, having all our personal information in a central database.

That leaves me feeling warm and fuzzy inside.

That's odd....

[RoscoHead]

"The Oracle database server itself runs on some sixty odd different operating systems,"


How many non-odd operating systems does it run on??

Re:That's odd....

[roystgnr]

How many non-odd operating systems does it run on??

Have you turned on a computer lately? We've got desk lamp appearing things that have buttons that look like they should be licked instead of clicked. We've got most beige boxes being upgraded to Fisher Price's My First GUI. We've got most of the remainder running a GUI which answers "how many widget sets can you fit into a phone booth". And we've got operating systems designed by the occasional upstart company who thinks they can suddenly "break in" to a saturated market dominated by network effects and owned by organizations who all agree that giving your product away for free is at least better than letting the competition make money.

There are no non-odd operating systems.

Re:A Definition

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not a contradiction...the article describes
buffer overflows and interception attacks.

If a cup overflows, it doesn't necessarily break.
If a football is intercepted, it doesn't necessarily break.

The above is a public service announcement from the Clinton Language Interpretation Council.

Weinberg's law of programming;

[eclectro]

If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

(this is twenty years old)

Re:Weinberg's law of programming;

[Lemmy Caution]

Yes, it's a well-known fact that several civilizations were wiped out when their stone roofs collapsed into the straw huts they put them on.

Re:Weinberg's law of programming;

[AnotherBlackHat]

Attributed to osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (J.David Ruggiero)

Dear Mr. Architect:
Please design and build me a house. I am not quite sure of what I need, so you should use your discretion.

My house should have between two and forty-five bedrooms. Just make sure the plans are such that the bedrooms can be easily added or deleted. When you bring the blueprints to me, I will make the final decision of what I want. Also, bring me the cost breakdown for each configuration so that I can arbitrarily pick one.

Keep in mind that the house I ultimately choose must cost less than the one I am currently living in. Make sure, however, that you correct all the deficiencies that exist in my current house (the floor of my kitchen vibrates when I walk across it, and the walls don't have nearly enough insulation in them).

As you design, also keep in mind that I want to keep yearly maintenance costs as low as possible. This should mean the incorporation of extra-cost features like aluminum, vinyl, or composite siding. (If you choose not to specify aluminum, be prepared to explain your decision in detail.)

Please take care that modern design practices and the latest materials are used in construction of the house, as I want it to be a showplace for the most up-to-date ideas and methods. Be alerted, however, that kitchen should be designed to accommodate, among other things, my 1952 Gibson refrigerator.

To insure that you are building the correct house for our entire family, make certain that you contact each of our children, and also our in-laws. My mother-in-law will have very strong feelings about how the house should be designed, since she visits us at least once a year. Make sure that you weigh all of thses options carefully and come to the right decision. I, however, retain the right to overrule any choices that you make.

Please don't bother me with small details right now. Your job is to develop the overall plans for the house: get the big picture. At this time, for example, it is not appropriate to be choosing the color of the carpet. However, keep in mind that my wife likes blue.

Also, do not worry at this time about acquiring the resources to build the house itself. Your first priority is to develop detailed plans and specifications. Once I approve these plans, however, I would expect the house to be under roof within 48 hours.

While you are designing this house specifically for me, keep in mind that sooner or later I will have to sell it to someone else. It therefore should have appeal to a wide variety of potential buyers. Please make sure before you finalize the plans that there is a consensus of the population in my area that they like the features this house has.

I advise you to run up and look at my neighbor's house he constructed last year. We like it a great deal. It has many features that we would also like in our new home, particularily the 75-foot swimming pool. With careful engineering, I believe that you can design this into our new house without impacting the final cost.

Please prepare a complete set of blueprints. It is not necessary at this time to do the real design, since they will be used only for construction bids. Be advised, however, that you will be held accountable for any increase of construction costs as a result of later design changes.

You must be thrilled to be working on as an interesting project as this! To be able to use the latest techniques and materials and to be given such freedom in your designs is something that can't happen very often. Contact me as soon as possible with your complete ideas and plans.

PS: My wife has just told me that she disagrees with many of the instructions I've given you in this letter. As architect, it is your responsibility to resolve these differences. I have tried in the past and have been unable to accomplish this. If you can't handle this responsibility, I will have to find another architect.

PPS: Perhaps what I need is not a house at all, but a travel trailer. Please advise me as soon as possible if this is the case.

Re:Weinberg's law of programming;

[0123456789]

From your quote: "Can you imagine the grandeur and scope of a program that would take as long?"

Surely you're describing Hurd?

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First Titanic, now this!

[roman_mir]

In the other news, the largest ship in the world Titanic that was named unsinkable, has sunk.

Comments by the CEO: -Well, you can take it both ways, really, we are defining what Unsinkable really means! The other ship building companies in our field are looking up to us to be half as unsinkable as we are. It's great, really, how our compain brings the best out of this situation.

"We believe the market effect of the 'Unsinkable' campaign raises the unsinkability bar and therefore improves unsinkability overall, both in forcing us to live up to the statement, and forcing others in the industry to begin to do the same," wrote Bruce Ismay. "If our unsinkability today is imperfect but better than the competition, and if customers make a buying decision based on that criteria, than in the long term you will see all products in the market improve."

Re:First Titanic, now this!

[roman_mir]

I did not mean to be funny, damn it! It was supposed to be Insightful. I dug out Bruce Ismay's name for xxx's sake!

Titanic Oracle

[Mittermeyer]

What happens when Unbreakable Larry Elliott's Unsinkable ego runs into an iceberg called reality?

Thrill as the largest man-made ego in the world shows it too can make a mistake! Gasp as the master engineer makes a crucial error that sinks the RMS Unbreakable! Cry as the star-crossed developers try to escape the sinking PR disaster! Bemoan the lack of escape boats for the VPs who will pay for Ellison's boast!

I swear, can't tell who we need to get first, Gates or Ellison. Neither one is good for computing.

Unbreakable doesn't really mean unbreakable...

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess it depends on how you define "unbreakable", eh?

Just like how you might define "sexual relations" huh?

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" (it was the cigar that did!!!) I just keep wondering if he smoked the cigar afterwards? :-)

Re:Is the gov't still going to use it

[ndfa]

all the porn you've ever downloaded
Just imagine :
select * from downloaded_porn_table where porn_search_string like '%Natalie Portman scared and petrified%'

slogans slogans slogans

[ekephart]

"The more people out there saying they have an unbreakable product, it gives customers a false sense of security," says David Dittrich, senior security engineer at the University of Washington. "I'd rather they boast about having a good programming team, or a good auditing process."

Admittedly, but COME ON Dave, it's just not CATCHY. Slogans are often misleading or linguistically incorrect. Here is a list of "catchy slogans" that are either also false, irrelevant, or just silly enough just to point out.

Slogan [Product/Firm]

• "The real thing" [Coca-Cola] - I feel that I am pretty real, maybe it should be "A real thing"
  
• "Be all you can be." [U.S. Army] - What the hell does this even mean?
  
• "You'll love the way we fly" [Delta Airlines] - And if I don't?
  
• "You're in good hands." [Allstate Insurance] - The cop said I wasn't at fault. The 3 eyewitnesses said the same. Go to hell.
  
• "Just like you, it never quits." [Mennen] - Someone's credulity is running on high. Are you kidding? If it's hard, I give up. "Huh, TV is funner."
  
• "Cool, Crisp, Clear. Obey your thirst." [Sprite] - Too bad I can't patent water.
  
• "Quality is Job 1" [Ford] - HA!
  
• "It's everywhere you want to be." [VISA] - Well, I guess I'm impressed.
  
• "Solutions for a small planet." [IBM] - This is for the most part true. Yes, they do provide "solutions" and this is a relatively small planet.
  
• "We try harder." [Avis Car Rental] - Harder than what? Yesterday?
  
• "I love what you do for me." [Toyota] - Am I supposed to love what THEY do for ME or what I do for THEM?
  
• "Just slightly ahead of our time." [Panasonic] - No, Billy you can't travel into the future I don't care what the Panasonic commercial said.
  

Re:slogans slogans slogans

[curunir]

Advertising is by nature deceptive. They try to leave out things that would make you not want to buy the product. Here's my take on what they didn't say, but might have meant.

- "The real thing" [Coca-Cola] - if you conclude that thing is meant to be a reference to Coca-Cola, then "The real thing" is a reference to the version of Coca-Cola that they sell, as opposed to the imaginary version that the product development team is currently working on.

- "You'll love the way we fly" [Delta] - you will, at some point in the future, love the way we fly. That point in time, however, is unlikely to be now or anywhere near your flight date.

- "Quality is job 1" [Ford] - Everything else is job 0...every computer person should know that one is hardly a logical starting place.

- "We try harder" [Avis] - ...than we could. This is actually a veiled threat.

- "Just slightly ahead of our time" [Panasonic] - All of our offices are located just west of the beginning of the timezones. So, while it's technically 10:00am, are time appears closer to 10:02. We didn't say we were way ahead of our time, just slightly.

Re:Nobody bothered to read the challenge...

[Hangtime]

Which means a C2 system with no network access, at Fort Meade and all their couter-measures, and a pack of rapid, hungry hyenas sitting around it in a New York stuido sized apartment.

Yea, we understand what these marketing slogans mean. Unfortunately, nobody has lived up to one yet.

Larry Ellison is The Rock

[dstone]

I dunno... I think Larry could take Bill.

Larry looks more than a little like The Rock in this photo. Ever notice how you never see both The Rock and Ellison together at the same time? Hmmm? Coincidence? Perhaps not.

Re:crazy fucking ceos

[Sir Tristam]

i would have to loved to have been a fly on the wall in the oracle engineering department the day ellison announced that their software was unbreakable.

Well, here's how the conversation went:

Dilbert: Hey, Wally! Larry just announced that 9i's unbreakable! I guess this means we can stop working on those bug-fixes.
Wally: Way ahead of you there.

Chris Beckenbach

Too true

[Mr. Fred Smoothie]

"Hello, helpdesk? I forgot my Oracle password."

"Hello, helpdesk? I need to edit the Oracle config files, and I forgot the Oracle user's unix password."

"Hello, helpdesk? Brad Pitt's a friend of mine and will go out with you if you give me the root password for the Oracle box."

Not "unbreakable", but "is unbreakable"

[Merry_B.Buck]

..."unbreakable" doesn't really mean unbreakable, or something...
Oracle said that 9i "is unbreakable". As President Clinton could easily tell you, the key word here is 'is'.

Re:Whoops!

[moof1138]

You can pretty much get away with saying what you want in ads. Otherwise MS would be in deep legal doodoo for suggesting that you will fly after installing XP.

Can't even land his airplane on time.

[billstewart]

When you get to the airport, they want to see your Larry-Ellison-approved National ID Card, or at least several forms of ID, take off your hat, jacket, shoes, belt, cellphone, beeper, PDA, and steel hip joint, and then decide whether to let you ride on the airplane you bought a ticket for. But when Larry Ellison gets to the airport, he gets on his own plane. Does he have to go through the security gate where they check his National ID card and say "Sorry, Mr. Ellison, you've gotten 15 tickets for violating quiet hours at San Jose Airport by landing after midnight, so we're not going to take the Big Orange Boot off your airplane wheel unless you show us a flight plan that gets you in by 11pm?" Not bloody likely.

Re:Nobody bothered to read the challenge...

[John Sullivan]

it's even worse than seeing what happens to the light in the refrigerator when you close it, at least in that situation you can close the fridge while you're in it.

Oh go on, upload your brain into your dual-Pentium 4 server then provoke it into blue-screening. Dare ya!

Hmm, well....

[truesaer]

When I used to use Oracle it was unbreakable. The only people who had complete access was the DBA and some guy named Scott Tiger....

Overclocking with super-cooling systems?

[FortKnox]

Dude. Overclocking with a super-cooling system is sooo 1999!

Re:Overclocking with super-cooling systems?

[plover]

Yeah, but what is its equivalent overclocked speed in Athlon MHz?

Hope it's running the web server...

[shanek]

...it just might be able to take the Slashdotting!

Uh oh...

[CrazyBrett]

AMD had better come out with a new "Athlon XXXP 3500+" to stay competitive! :)

Re:Uh oh...

[Anonymous Coward]

for XXX Performance? No ladies would buy it, it'd too damn quick.

Neat, now how about my box...?

[TellarHK]

Sure, it's great to take the latest and greatest chips out there and boost the heck out of 'em. But what I want to see are some overclocks of things from a while back. Let's see about pumping some juice through a Pentium 100, or even a 6502C in a Commodore 64. Let's REALLY get impatient for actual powerful, stable chips, and take some PowerPC chips to the tank o' coolant.

You also never see anyone talking about overclocking non-x86 architectures. I'd assume this is due to a lack of BIOS with that kind of speed support, and motherboards without jumpers for clock speeds. But why let that stop us, right?

*insert sarcasm drip here, 50ml hourly*

Re:Neat, now how about my box...?

[smyle]

Reminds me of an OLD joke:

How do you accelerate a Mac?
9.81 m/s^2

Re:Neat, now how about my box...?

[JabberWokky]

As an aside, I bought a game ages ago that must have been written for a 386/486 and ran it on my P233 (as it was at the time). The game was unplayable because of the speed.

That's what the "Turbo" button on the front of your case is for.

You do have a Turbo button, right...

--
Evan "What else has disappeared from PCs that I never noticed?" E.

Re:Bah, this link is nothing more than a picture!

[2Bits]

Right, I want technical details on how to do it too.

Look at this CPU, the physical dimension and the heat it generates, are just perfect for making my omelette in the morning.

Re:Japanese only

[GoRK]

You mean you don't speak Japanese like the rest of us?

You obviously have enough time to waste to post this crap.

I've supercooled my Dreamcast

[Anonymous Coward]

Now it runs faster than an X-Box.

Much like this article, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Also, I'm running Linux on my Nokia cellphone. I'll try to post some pictures when I can get my NetBSD digital camera to boot.

Re:Supermagnetic Processor

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd be more worried that all atomic motion had stopped and excited that I had actually reduced the temperature to that point. I'd call New Scientist right away.

That's nothing...

[brogdon]

If I put my Athlon in the microwave, I can get numbers out of it that don't exist in nature.

Re:WTF

[cr@ckwhore]

And on another note...

If I put a piece of copper on my motherboard, took a picture of it, and claimed it was an overclocked Athlon t-bird running at 6 gHz cooled by moon rocks, would it get posted?

Re:Speed is no longer important

[Joe U]

Isn't 3.5GHz the minimum speed requirement for the latest Everquest expansion?
That and a spare 2 GB of RAM.

Who needs nitrogen?

[GeekLife.com]

homemade nitrogen cooling system overclocked a P4 from 2.2Ghz to an incredible 3.5ghz.

Quick tip on "overclocking" from Ghz (Gigahertz) to ghz (gravity hertz): Throw your machine out the window. To get to decent speeds, you'll want to be at least on the 4th floor or above.

(Alternate tip: to perceptively increase GHz, throw the Windows out of your machine)

Hmmm . . .

[Kreeblah]

Imagine a Beowulf cl*whack*

Owww . . .

Re:Speed is no longer important

[Lionel Hutts]

Son, do we need to remind you exactly how little power one needs to factor primes?

Re:whoopie

[Anonymous Coward]

My son, never underestimate Microsoft's ability to consume system resources! That 1.5Ghz P4 will be struggling to keep up with the 3D raytraced 5.1-Dolby-compatible AI-enhanced Office XXXP Paperclip assistant in a couple years.

Be Careful!

[Kozz]

I think these guys are getting dangerously close to cause irreparable harm to the universe as discussed here.

their edge was being in Finland in January

[2ms]

Pretty much all you have to do to set overclocking records in Finland is put a jacket on and open a window.

Re:I'm amazed

[neurojab]

Yes. Please add salt. Lots and lots of salt.

Re:WTF

[bonk]

Not only would it get posted, it would get reposted 6 months from now as a ground breaking story.

What about underclocking?

[slickwillie]

Why don't you guys ever have any articles on underclocking? Are underclockers really that bad? What are some of the advantages of underclocking?

- Underclock a 2.0GHz to 1.0Ghz, and you can throw away your CPU fan.

- Underclock to 500MHz and you can get rid of your case fan.

- Underclock to 4.77Mhz and you can run older versions of Fligh Simulator.

- Underclock to 4.0 MHz and you can pretend you are running a Z80.

- Underclock too 100KHz and you can actually watch your instructions exeecute.

Re:Well, yeah

[jonbrewer]

What, you think the heart of gold's improbability drive actually bothers with recompiles? it turns missles into potted geraniums and sperm whales, for g-d's sake.

It'll pluck you out of space by 30th second no matter what.