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Pogo Phone/PDA Quietly Launched

labourstart writes: "Carphone Warehouse, one of the largest mobile phone retailers in the UK, this week quietly began selling the Pogo device, which claims to offer greater than 56K connection speeds to the Internet without waiting for 3G mobile phones to come into use. It's also a PDA and web browser using a proprietary operating system and data compression software that, they say, allows very fast downloads of HTML (not WAP) web pages." This one's been mentioned before, but now it looks like it's really and truly available.

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  1. Review by jonv · · Score: 3, Redundant

    Review can be found here:
    http://www.zdnet.co.uk/reviews/rstories/0,3040,e 71 11404,00.html

    1. Re:Review by Max+von+H. · · Score: 4, Informative

      Making it a real link surely works better...

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  2. 56k? yeh, right. by oozer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to admit that I hadn't heard of this device before, but according to the specs it uses standard 2.5G technology (GPRS/HSCSD) in which case its claims of 56k transfer rates are highly optimistic.

    Also, I don't which mobile networks they are expecting you to use this on, but unless they have been opened up recently, they didn't have a general GPRS->Internet bridge available that would let you use the Pogo to browse web pages via GPRS.

    The last time I looked at GPRS in the UK you could only use it to connect to the networks own WAP and messaging gateways and the authorised WAP servers operated a "walled garden" policy.

    1. Re:56k? yeh, right. by Fishd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I've read about this before... and it doesn't actually download at speeds greater than 56K...

      The service provider you (have to) connect to has a compression server on it's network and it compresses the data you've requested before sending it to your device, where it is uncompressed. They claim it makes the 9600bps of GSM as fast as 56kps but as we all know, the success of data compression relys very heavily on the data being compressed. Compressing pure text HTML may be fine but I expect this thing to crawl when it comes to graphics...

      In a previous article the head of Pogos company basically accepted that this device has approx 12 - 18 month lifespan as it will be killed by GPRS technology. But seemed pretty upbeat anyway... (doesn't want to scare his investors I guess)

      GPRS phones are currently available here in the UK but none of the cellphone providers seem to realise that charging extortionate rates means they aint gonna get used...

      Pogo - Nice idea... shame about the tech...

    2. Re:56k? yeh, right. by seldolivaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to the ZDnet review, the web pages it browses are actually translated by the "Pogo Technology Server" first: so when you go to www.yahoo.com, it's actually a page on their server: their server optimizes the colours to the Pogo's standard 256, swaps fonts to display better, and then it shrinks the whole page so that an 800x600 page looks fairly normal (if teeny) on the 320x260 screen, which is pretty cool. The fast transfer rate is accomplished because the server also compresses the page before sending it to the phone, which then decompresses it -- a good solution in a bandwidth-limited device. But it relies on a *lot* of proprietary technology :-(

    3. Re:56k? yeh, right. by Cato · · Score: 2

      I'm sceptical about the compression, but it should improve things given image downscaling (Plucker and AvantGo do the same thing on Palms). As for your GPRS comment - the Pogo is a GPRS device, so it's not exactly going to be 'killed by GPRS...'

  3. Newton II? by Corrado · · Score: 3, Interesting

    WOW! This looks like something that Apple (sh|w)ould do. It looks as big as a Newton 120 (which I currently use) but with a good screen and lots more horsepower. It plays MP3 (what about OGG?), renders real HTML in full color, and the price seems right (300BP). Too bad it's not available in the US, I might be tempted to get one. After all, my Newton 120 is getting quite old and I need something to stand out in the sea of Palm & WinCE devices.

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  4. Re:Flash player by benjj · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the ZDnet Review that somebody below pointed out, "There is some heavy-duty protection to guard against viruses." What that means exactly I don't know though.

  5. Re:OS? by Corrado · · Score: 2

    Opps, I just saw that they have a multimedia card drive accessory that accepts 16mb, 32mb, 64mb cards. They don't say what type of card it is though.

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  6. Re:SHOW ME THE MON... erm, PDA!! by Fishd · · Score: 3, Informative

    This device is ON SALE now!

    For close up shots try here http://www.pogo-tech.com

    Around 6 months ago people were claiming vapourware... now they have delivered... a rare thing in this industry... (yopy anyone?)

  7. Need better pics. by nobodyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Man, the pogo website blows. From the pics that they got on there, I can only get a cursory idea of what this thing looks like. It would be really nice to get some nice hi-res images of the thing.

    Anybody out there got some links besides the pogo website?

    1. Re:Need better pics. by jwilhelm · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.pogo-tech.com has some higher resolution pictures. Looks a little awkward to carry...

    2. Re:Need better pics. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      I believe Pogo is a selling a young man. What a great way to kill interest in this thing: Lay on the marketing speel and don't show any close-ups or "virtual tours" of the device.

      This thing supposedly does everything, yet a pretty and low content promotional tool (website) is all they're offering to get me to buy it? For shame.

  8. Backed Up? by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    Meanwhile, all your data is stored on a centeral server and backed up everytime you go online, so there's no need to sync your Pogo manually with your PC.

    Wait. OK, so all my personal info is being synced with some company that has root access to that said info? Does anyone see a problem here?

    What about the servers? Let's just say this device really takes off, what's gonna happen when the un-avoidable upgrade happens? What if the upgrade goes boom? Does that mean all my data is MIA? Is there ANY WAY I can sync my info with another PERSONAL computer?

    To speak quike frankly, if this wasn't actually being sold, I'd call it Vapor-Ware(tm).

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  9. Re:Flash player by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you would kindly read the recent stories about Flash virii, you would notice that they cannot be activated by a web browser. The problem lies in self-contained EXE files used to transport Flash presentations, which when run on Windows can cause some nasty ActionScript actions to occur. Users of web browsers on all platforms, and all non-Windows users are completely safe. In fact, the so-called "Flash virii" are considered very minor threats.

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  10. Proprietary? AmigaDE/Taos intent? by 3seas · · Score: 2

    From the Review
    link mentioned elsewhere:

    "There will be support for programmers who want to write their own Pogo
    programs using the API known as Boing, with a Flash-based Software
    Developer's Kit."

    It's clear this is a proprietary subscription oriented device.

    So until someone identifies the OS as other than this AmigaDE/Taos intent
    thing.....

  11. Total cost of ownership by seldolivaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is indeed a pretty sweet device, and at £329 it's comparable to (say) the latest Visor models. However, in typical UK fashion (I live here; I know) CPW has loaded unreasonable ongoing costs on the back of it: data and voice calls are 10p per minute (14 US cents), calls to phones on other networks are 35p (aargh! why?!), and on top of that there's a £7.99 (US$11.50) monthly charge for the Internet access, etc.. That can really add up if you use it pretty regularly. Other than that problem, I'd get it tomorrow! :-)

  12. Re:OS? by seldolivaw · · Score: 2

    I don't know what the OS is, but apparently it can run just about any Flash application, and they have an API (called "Boing") that allows you to create your own programs for the Pogo. Which sounds pretty cool? (Source: ZDnet review http://www.zdnet.co.uk/reviews/rstories/0,3040,e71 11404,00.html )

  13. Getting closer to the ultimate portable device... by BlueOtto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ultimate portable device, as I see it, will like the Pogo, be reliant on the Internet. Why have in-unit storage if you can have unlimited storage potential through the use of the Internet? Also, another barrier that must be reached is faster wireless internet connections through these devices (plus cost coming down). However, once these are reached, think of the possibilities--
    - unlimited MP3 storage anywhere
    - picture frame w/ unlimited storage - everywhere you go
    - graphical internet surfing/chat/etc. for those long trips
    - document retrieval anywhere
    - PDA functionality without space/storage concerns
    - gaming :) better yet, multiplayer online gaming

    and more that I can't come up with right now...

    Right now, I have separate (or no) devices for each of these things. I, for one, would like them combined.

  14. why headset-required? by jchristopher · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is the second combo phone/PDA device I've seen that appears to require the use of a headset for phone calls. (The other device is a Motorola that they sell on Voicestream, don't know the model number.

    What makes them think I don't want to hold the device to my ear? I don't want to have to hunt for a headset everytime the phone rings.