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Plug-n-Play Server And Network

Posted by timothy on from the all-in-one dept.

shyster writes: "The IMASS is a server for the technophobes. Built on a Linux OS, it autodetects network segments in less than 5 minutes, and sets up DHCP, DNS, FTP, Email, file sharing, firewall, NAT, internet access, dial-up, etc. almost automagically. Pluses include a solid state drive for the OS, so the hard drive is only used for file storage and backup (seperate 120GB hard drive for backups.) seems to be just what some of my clients need to finally convince them that Linux CAN be easier to use than Windows, and they can, for the most part, manage the network themselves! Check out a review from PCMagazine."

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  1. Security? by ymgve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How's the security on such a device that automagically sets up everything and then some?

    (Remember, it was the automatic detection of network services (UPNP) that compromised WinXP..)

    1. Re:Security? by blane.bramble · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have a choice of automagically created passwords to enhance security. These are "password", "secret", "fred", "fido", "1234", and the ever-popular "******". So far, no senior manager has been able to hack in (to their own account).

  2. Blurb ahoy by CaptainAlbert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently, it runs a...

    > Hardened & ruggedized Linux based UNIX kernel

    ?

    Could someone from marketing please tell me what that means?

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    1. Re:Blurb ahoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried to translate it back into English, but all I got was "The synergistic turnkey solution is an ideal e-business solution for tommorows iTransactions. The .NET based XML Java regidised engine transaction services compoenent technology provides a lower TCO and higher turnaround of your base assests. QED."

      I think I may have accidentely translated it from Marketing to Management though.

    2. Re:Blurb ahoy by iMASS · · Score: 5, Informative
      • Apparently it runs a "Hardened & ruggedized Linux based UNIX kernel"

      That is indeed marketese. What we tried to tell them was we stripped the Linux OS (not the kernel) down to a system that fits (kernel Apache, perl, php, qmail, and all) in 12 megs on a flash disk, and so it's much more reliable and will keep doing basic tasks (like routing) even if the disk dies.

      Naturally, they thought an OS was the same as a kernel, and liked the word "ruggedized", and the rest is history...

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  3. Read at the bottom ... by dago · · Score: 4, Informative
    ... of the page presenting this system :

    Systemax PC's use genuine Microsoft® Windows®

    www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell

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  4. Almost by squaretorus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "sets up DHCP, DNS, FTP, Email, file sharing, firewall, NAT, internet access, dial-up, etc. almost automagically"

    As we all know - that can be more annoying than not doing anything at all. Do what microsoft etc do - just miss out the almost.

    It's not Plug and (mostly) Play is it?

    1. Re:Almost by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It's not Plug and (mostly) Play is it?

      I suspect it's more like this:

      Try DHCP - if OK great, configure eth0 accordingly, if not, not a problem for now

      Put eth0 into promiscuous mode

      Capture some traffic

      Look for where connections are being opened for port 53 (DNS), port 20/21 (FTP), 25 (SMTP)...

      Look at the source IPs for local IP's / subnet

      Look for where traffic off-net is being sent for the default gateway(s)

      etc.

      Fill in some blanks with the above

      Present harvested info to the user and ask them to fill in any required unknowns, make corrections and confirm the final settings This kind of thing isn't new, and there are lots of other tricks to farm data, like sending forged packets to illicit a response with useful data. Where you tend to come unstuck in what you can achieve though is when you plug the thing into a switch. It's a bit more difficult to find what you want when you can't see it...

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    2. Re:Almost by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting
      and if your on a switched network ? surely you wouldn't recieve any relevant traffic ?

      You would initially just see broadcast traffic, and that gives you some IP information to get started from. You could then send a continuous stream of forged packet to the switch pretending to be from MAC addresses you can see. Depending on the switch you may be able to force it to fail and start acting as a hub, or receive packets intended for the legitimate hosts you are faking.

      It's a technique known as ARP spoofing, for which there are plenty of tools such as Dugsong's DSniff suite. Get Ethereal as well, capture some packets and see what you can derive about the network - it should be quite a lot. Add a packet generator into the mix and, well, the sky's the limit really. I should also point out that you can very easily break the law with these tools; be careful what you do and where...

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  5. imagine.. by sluggie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a beowulf cluster of those!

    no, don't mod me down now! I really mean it!

    So, what do you think could happen if you put more than one of those in a network.

    do they recognize each other?
    are they able to do some basic kind of load balancing (one does mail/ftp/NAT, the other one user homes/printer/etc)?
    what if business grows bigger, so that you need more than one server?

    I like such pseudo turnkey systems, but where is the scalability?

  6. Nice price comparison by Whafro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's nice to see that they have under the traditional listing a server with every possible expensive option, while the opposite is true for the iMass.

    Honestly, if you're going to have an IDE disk in the iMass, then clearly the "traditional" server you're comparing it to should also have an IDE disk. And what network of 2-150 users needs 25 mail servers? Clearly having a tape backup and a hard drive backup are vastly different in scope as well. They don't seem to be providing a way to keep the last year of daily backups on a shelf; or even the last week of backups plus the monthly.

    They're just looking for the idiots who don't know what a CAL is or maybe once have seen the IBM linux commercials and look solely at the provided bottom-line.

  7. Uh, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    [S]eems to be just what some of my clients need to finally convince them that Linux CAN be easier to use than Windows

    Sorry, but this product does not demonstrate any such thing. Using any OS in this kind of device makes it an embedded OS and therefore invisible to the end user. If it's invisible then by definition it has no usability, good or otherwise.

    I'm sure Linux was a good choice for the OS in this product, as it's cheap and infinitely configurable. But the OS's inherent ease of use to the customer is not on the list.

  8. *This* is what they would have used in ID4 by dustpuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    it autodetects network segments in less than 5 minutes, and sets up DHCP, DNS, FTP, Email, file sharing, firewall, NAT, internet access, dial-up, etc. almost automagically

    This is the sort of system they would have used in Independence Day 4 to autoconnect to the alien network and upload that virus. None of that stupid Apple crap ...

  9. Kernel 2.2.19 by CDWert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Kernel version of this wonderbar unit is
    2.2.19

    And 128 meg ram ???

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  10. GOOGLE by Alsee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google search on CAL network Server you get the answer "Client Access License" on the third link. First two links are clearly Cal-State.

    Google is great. It's like a swiss army knife. Not only can you search for web pages, definitions, etc etc etc, you can even use it to correct your spelling :)

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  11. Re:salaried admin || $3000 box? by blane.bramble · · Score: 4, Funny

    Better still, that classic question: "Is the internet down?"

  12. How it's hardened... by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny
    Remember making things in high school shop class?

    It was hardened by flaming it up to extremely high temperatures and then immediately thrown into cold water.

    "Tempered UNIX Kernal" was too short of a phrase for marketing to use. It also sounds less aggressive

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  13. Re:Qmail licensing by iMASS · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not true. We explicitly checked with djb before we packaged qmail like this. It *is* allowed to distribute qmail in unmodified binary form *if* you do it as a tarball that follows his instructions... which we did.

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  14. Re:2.4 kernel by iMASS · · Score: 5, Informative
    Can it automagically upgrade the 2.4 kernel every couple of weeks and set the correct AC patches?
    Yes! Although we tend to only upgrade the kernel when it's useful, not with every single release. Most of our customers don't care whether they're using 2.2 or 2.4 kernels, or apache 1.x or 2.0. I personally don't trust apache 2.0 yet.

    Last time I checked, I think it takes three mouse clicks to upgrade the entire OS, which fits in 12 megs on a 32-meg flash disk (so you can hold two copies, and old "known working" one and a new "test" version). iMASS downloads the new version from our web site, verifies its integrity, and installs it automatically.

    Unfortunately you have to reboot to upgrade the kernel. If it doesn't work for any reason, next time you reboot you get the old, safe version back automatically.

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  15. Re:Instant marketing by Dartek.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you for the nice comment about our responsive marketing team. And no we did not post the story.