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California City Issues Internet Cafe Moratorium

DarkZero writes: "The Sacramento Bee is reporting that the City Council of Garden Grove, California has issued a 45 day moratium on internet cafes following a fatal stabbing and several other crimes, with the justification that internet cafes are "improperly supervised environments" that very large groups of minors frequent daily (mostly to play games), and that a lot of gang violence has cropped up because of this. Another new restriction is that minors may not stay in any internet cafe past 8PM on a school night, though it isn't clear whether or not that restriction will be lifted after the 45 day period." The New York Times has a similarly breathless story, emphasizing the violence of games played at such cafes.

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  1. Sigh by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All these instituted regulations on minors remind me of the fundamental flaw that is at work here.

    Namely, if it is so important for said minors to not be playing violent video games after 8 PM in the evening, then where are the parents? If you want to replace parents with government, then just say so and call the modern family a failure.

    I doubt "the Internet" has anything to do with this issue. It's just another thing for kids to do. Movie theaters were probably thought to be similar breeding grounds for dissoluteness back in the 1920s when the problem was really that the parents didn't care enough about what their children were doing.

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  2. Video Game Violence by louzerr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to work for a company that would break every Friday at 3 to play UnrealTournament or HalfLife. Two hours of every week we'd spend splattering eachother's body parts across digital walls and floors. A good time was had by all. And when the boss stopped paying us because he'd wasted all the company funds, we simply walked away, and called our lawyers. We didn't kill him, like we had done so many Fridays in the digital universe - we didn't even give him a severe pounding (which he sorely deserved). Somehow, despite the excellent sound and graphics of the game, we still seemed to grasp the difference between the game and reality.

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  3. fairness... by Tazzy531 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Internet cafe has now turned into a modern day, high tech arcade. They should not have to do anything different from a arcade owner. If an arcade owner has to apply for a license, so should internet cafe. If an arcade has to abide by a certain regulation, so should the internet cafe. However, extra burden should not be place on the internet cafe because it is modern and may seem different.

    That's what I find troubling with a lot of new regulations coming out. There are a number of prior laws that could be used to cover the computer industry but they often make new laws specifically targetted at it. Remember, computers are only another tool.

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  4. In Related News... by Catiline · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (c. 1923) Police in an unamed mertoplitan area banned all sale of alcohol, after noting its' strong correlation to domestic crimes. "People expect the police to protect them," a spokesperson said. "We can't do that if these crime-enducing liquors are on sale."

    Wow, you'd think people could learn from history. Two things may be related, but changing one doesn't neccessarily change the other (cause & effect).

  5. My Own Experiences by neema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last year, I use to visit the internet cafes (though these are in NYC) pretty often. I, like most other people, went to play Counter-Strike.

    When one or two first opened around my place, they were relatively quiet, filled with kids who would rather be out with friends playing a game than sitting at home doing it.

    But then they started getting pretty popular. Soon, we'd all go in and almost all the computers would be taken up.

    And when you played, kids would truly get violent. You'd make a kill on someone and they'd get up out of their seat and start saying stuff like "Yo! Who da fuck is _______ (insert username of person who just killed him here)"

    The thing is, you can't just go about banning these places because of these assholes. Unfortunately, there is normally only one person supervising the place and they normally try to avoid doing anything but collecting the 3 dollars a hour you pay.

    At first, when I read about the 45 day stall, I was kinda taken aback. But now that I look at it, it's appropriate. It's not permanent. It gives these places a month and a half to hire more staff, or security, or what else is going to be needed. It's really unfortunate that this stuff is needed in the first place, but kids apparently can't take a game.

    One other thing: To say it's the game itself that causes violence is bullshit. Absoutely bullshit. If this is the reason the restriction is being placed, then you better do it to all competition. Gangs are formed there too, except they're called "teams".

    They key to competition is having it supervised tightly so it never gets out of hand. As lame as that sounds, it's the fault of kid's my age that brought it to that.

  6. Re:fairness... OR another damn liberal by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regulation will solve it? Licensing will solve it?

    Come on. How about considering the option that the person responsible for the teenager should be held liable to the full extent of the law.

    Don't make cigarette shops card a teenager, don't make internet cafes card a teenager, don't make ANY commercial or private individual become a watchdog for the government or a parents -- because that's how we've become a nanny state.

    Parents are lazy because they feel they don't need to parent anymore. Instead of watching TV with their kids, they can set their V-chip to "Rated G" and forget about it. Instead of browsing the web with their kids, they can install software, in hopes it will work 100%. Instead of finding out why their kids weren't home by 10, and grounding them for a month or three, they can hope the government will regulate a coffee house, arcade, net cafe, whatever. Instead of searching their teen's jackets and drawers looking for drugs or cigarettes, they can rely on the nanny state.

    I say get rid of all regulations like these, and lets finally force parents to do the job they are responsible for: parenting.

  7. The US and Human Rights (or lack thereof) by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Mod me the fuck down, if you dare:

    US minors are not responsible, but they can be sentenced to death. Almost no other country in the world does that. Way to go, USA!

    US adults below 21 cannot drink alcohol, but they can serve and get killed in the army. Way to go, USA!

  8. Can someone adjust the focus? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A man is stabbed in an internet cafe. The response: put a moratorium on opening new cafes, but not on selling more knives. Knives don't kill people, people don't kill people, internet cafes kill people. God help us all.

    This is where it gets really funny:

    • minors not accompanied by a parent or legal guardian may only stay at the cafes until 8 p.m. Sundays through Thursdays.
    • Simpsons "Squeeky Voiced Acne Kid" Shift Supervisor: Sirs, you all appear to be a minors, and it's after 8pm. I'm required to instruct you to leave the premises.
    • Horde of knife toting adreneline junkies: [seeing Terminator red overlays] Scanning possible responses...
      • The blond kid with the goatee down the end is our legal guardian. We're all orphans, he's thirty six, he's called Mrs Conchita Aguillerra, and he has the ID to prove it.
      • I'm chatting to my mom on ICQ and she says I can stay until 2am. Look, that's her on the webcam. Yeah, she has a thing for whips and rubber. She's real strict, OK?
      • Fuck you, asshole.

    Let's suppose that they could magically enforce this. Do they know nothing about the history of trying to control demand by stifling supply? Heard of a little thing called Amendment 18? "Hey, I know of a great little Clickeasy behind the funeral parlour... I wannanother cuppa Java..."

    Semi-seriously, I'm reminded of a curfew in Paisley in Scotland, when all of the nightclubs were instructed to kick everyone out at 2am on the dot. The result? The emergency services quickly learned to dispatch units at about 1:50am to arrive in time for the stabbing frenzy. If gang violence is really an issue here, I don't in all honesty see how this situation would be any different.

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