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The Amazing $5k Terabyte Array

An anonymous reader writes: "Running out of space on your local disk? How about a Terabyte array for only a few thousand dollars. This article at KCGeek.com shows how to put together 1000 Gigs of hard drive space for the cost of a few desktop computers." I could rip my entire anime collection for instant access! Rip all my CDs and still have .9 Terabytes left! Maybe Mirror Usenet! I guess the simple truth is that now that 100 gig drives are a couple hundred bucks, we now have the ability to store anything we reasonably could need (unless you define "Reasonable" as "I need to store DNA Sequences").

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  1. I'm sure I'll figure a way to fill it... by DNAGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its only a matter of time 'til video becomes as commonplace as MP3's on our drives. 100 Gigs is what...20 movies??? I don't see my appetite for disk space slowing down any time soon.

    Hmmm...video; logfiles that don't roll over - ever; online network backup... I'm sure to figure out a way to fill that terabyte. :)

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    1. Re:I'm sure I'll figure a way to fill it... by BlackSol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Redundancy is a better solution than disposable media backup. Often more expensive, but infinately more reliable.

      Code Versioning/document management on changing files to maintain history.

      Your web hosting provider had 1 Raid system, thats only 1 level of redundancy (I know multiple disks - but on 1 system). If you want to truely ensure data you need redundant systems, such as networked backup to 2 additional machines that also utilize raid.

      If the data is critical you need to examine points of failure. Thats what clustering, and load balancing offers - total redundancy.

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  2. Great! Where's the backup solution? by danimal · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I would rather spend the money on good disk storage with an integrated or integral back-up solution. Why? Well, as cool as all that storage it, what happens when it goes *poof* and you can't get it back. You're screwed.

    Yes, this is a groovy/geeky/cool solution for under your desk, but at least spend the extra dollars for a SCSI card and tape backup unit. You could fit the whole thing on a few DLT's. You can also keep incremental backups to keep the tape swapping to a minimum.

  3. Re:Actually by dNil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are correct that the human genome is "only about" 3 giga basepairs of sequence, but to only store that would be rather egocentric. There are as of Dec 3 2001 some 14396883064 bp in the GenBank, and the amount of sequence information still grows roughly in a exponential manner.


    Now, this will not hit the TB line anytime soon. The trouble starts if you are involved in genome sequencing. Then you need to store the raw data for all that sequence. Each some 450 bp of sequence is reconstructed from about 5 - 10 different fairly high reslution gel images (in the ballpark of 150 kBi per image). Also, recall that even short stretches of the sequence can be accompanied with a lot of annotating information, such as names and functions of genes, regualtory elements or pointers to articles explaining the experimental evidence for such. This mutiplies the storage requirement with quite a factor - nothing a neat little linux box with a huge RAID-array cannot handle though. Thats how we handle the sequencing data from Trypanosoma cruzi, by the way.

  4. Re:Redundancy? by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In case you didn't notice, it's RAID5. One hard disk could go bad with no issues other than slowdown.

    They could also do what we did with our IDE TB. We used three RAID5s in hardware, each with hot swap. In theory, if they failed just right, we could lose up to 6 drives without losing any data.

    The three RAID5s are hardware RAID0ed together. The worst case scenerio is a simultaneous failure of two drives on the same array. But we saved so much money using IDE that we just built two complete systems for less price than SCSI. So really, we would have to hit the worst case scenerio twice at nearly the same time to have a total loss.. It gets less and less likely.

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  5. Why not firewire? by weave · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Maxtor now has a 160 gig external firewire drive. You can chain 62 of these puppies." Screw terabyte, think petabyte.

    I figure this is the easiest way to add as you grow without having to break open the case and try to figure out how to add another damn drive in there. For backup, just have two systems with identical capacities and rsync between the two nightly.

    RAID is nice, but for home use, it's not as nice as a nightly mirror. Why? I've seen RAID controllers fail and take out an entire RAID set. RAID also doesn't deal with the "Holy shit, I just accidently type `rm * ~` instead of `rm *~` problem."

  6. Re:Great! Where's the backup solution? by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Absolutely. And to those who say "Just build another one" / "RAID doesn't need backup", I have only one thing to say:

    FIRE!

    Any serious data store needs to include a backup system which allows for copies off-site. Fire is the obvious risk of course, but floods, vandalism and lightning strikes are all possibilities.

    AFAIK the only generally available tape backup for something this big is DLT, which IIRC can now do around 40GB per tape before compression. With the 2:1 compression usually quoted thats 80GB per tape, or around 13-14 tapes for a full backup. So you really need about 30 tapes for a double cycle, and maybe more if lots of the data is non-compressible (like movies). But this stuff ain't cheap. DLT drives start at around £1000 and the tapes cost £55 each. So thats around £2500 = $4200 to back this beastie up.

    Having said that, the possibility of using hot-swappable IDE drives as backup devices is intriguing. Just point your backup program at /dev/hdx3 or whatever. One big advantage is that if your tape drive gets cooked in the server-room fire you don't have the risk of tapes that can only be read on the drive that wrote them. A Seagate 5400RPM 60GB drive costs £110, which is only a third more per megabyte than a bare DLT tape. Two cycles-worth of backup (34 drives) would be £3,700. And you can probably do better by shopping around. For servers with only a few hundred GB on line this might well be more cost-effective than buying a DLT drive.

    We use Amanda to do backups here. Its a useful program, but it can't back up a partition bigger than a tape. So you need to think carefully about your partition strategy. (Side note: you can use tar rather than dump to break up over-large partitions, but its still a pain).

    Suddenly that terabyte starts looking a bit more expensive.

    Paul.

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  7. Ouch! $160GB disks! by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironically, I just built something very similar to this a few weeks ago (it runs great BTW), but I spent <$1500US on all the components. The biggest thing you have to watch out for is the Hard Drives. I went for the ones with the best bang/buck ratio at the time (Maxtor 80GB 5400RPM drives). This let me build a system with well over 1/2 a Terabyte of usable space at a fraction of the cost. Additionally, the slower drives require less power and less cooling, making them easier to fit in a standard full tower case with a merely beefy (as opposed to server-class) power supply. I think the processor requirements he stated were a little overboard as well. I've found that disk access tends to be limited by the PCI bus (it doesn't help that I used an older motherboard with 33 Mhz 32bit PCI), especially on writes where you can spread data across the write cache on the drives. Be careful when you build an array like this, ATA *hates* having access to both a master and a slave drive at the same time. Be sure to avoid having two disks on the same plex on the same controller. This was natural for me fortunatly, since I was building two plexes, a "backup" and a "media" plex.

    A final word of warning: Promise ATA100 TX2 controllers may look like a natural choice for a server like this, but they only support UDMA on up to 8 drives at once, and Promise's tech support only supports a maximum of 1 (one!) of their cards in any system.

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  8. Re:RAID by edmudama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > He's trying to use software raid, but he has 4
    > Promise FastTrak 100TX2 raid controllers. WTF?
    > First off, each of those cards supports 4
    > drives on 2 channels... Why does he need 4
    > cards when he only has 8 drives? He only needs
    > 2 cards.

    I'm a firmware engineer for Maxtor... if you're going for performance, you want 1 drive on each bus, and you don't want to use the motherboard connectors. With 2 drives on each bus, you are limiting the average transfer rate out of cache to 50% of the max transfer rate. On a modern drive with their 60-65MB/sec channel rates, you cannot stream sequentially off of 2 drives without saturating an ATA-100 cable. Even running ATA-133 won't help starting a year from now.

    Additionally, every bios I have looked at sucks in terms of performance. In most cases they have small DMA FIFOs which stutter the pipe during high speed transfers -- they literally hang the DMA lines while they empty their fifo into memory, then come back and grab another 8 words or something sad. They also tend to be very poor managers of the IRQ line. This causes delays at times when your hard drive could be giving you more data, but the host hasn't gotten around to asking for it yet.

    All the 3rd party cards have like 2Kbyte FIFOs which prevents any overrun from occurring, which alone is quite helpful in high bandwidth applications.

    The cards we include with our drives are in the lower end of Promise's spectrum... you can spend more and get more performance if you want to, which is what I suspect the author of the original article did.

    --eric

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