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Capturing Waste Heat with Quantum Mechanics

TheMatt writes: "There is a summary of a Phys.Rev.Lett. article up at Nature Science Update that describes a design for a 'quantum afterburner' that would improve the efficiency of an Otto engine. It improves the efficiency by using a laser and maser to extract energy from the hot exhaust of the engine. In fact, the process could enhance performance beyond that of the "ideal" Otto engine."

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  1. Re:So much waste and inefficiency by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Does anyone know of any other projects out there to reclaim and use some of this lost energy?

    Well, the university I went to had its own electrical power station. They used the waste heat to generate steam that was sent all over campus for heating. Even the dorms' clothes dryers used steam heat exchangers.

    They seemed to have so much heat capacity available that they didn't think that proper thermostats were a priority. A lot of people had to regulate the heat on subzero days by opening the windows.

  2. The importance of the paper is more than just $$$ by efuseekay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Quantum Mechanics has been known to be a time-trasnlation invariant theory. In layman's term, it means that you can run the clock backwards and everything is fine. There is no "irreversible" process. (For the jargon-empowered, QM does not have a natural "arrow of time").

    However, we know the Thermodynamics 2nd law tells us that even *ideal* processes are essentially irreversible if we do work, i.e. waste heat is inevitable.

    So the idea to use QM to improve this "ideal"-ness (classically speaking) is an intersting step towards understanding the *other* big issue in science : which is how the 2nd Law fits into the grand scheme of things. (Grand Unified Theories do not incorporate 2nd law since microscopically are processes are essentially reversible. The 2nd law drove many people nuts, including Roger Penrose.)

    So the point of the paper is not "get more $$$" for you engine. It's an interesting gedenken-experiment (sp?) that proves a point.

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  3. I've read the paper ... by Doctor+K · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and it is a pretty interesting idea. I'm not sure about the practical feasibility of the concept for reasons I'll get into below. But, it shows that quantum effects might be usefully exploited to make better engines and will probably prompt a fair amount of thought and experiment into the matter.

    Warning: Ph.D. punditry follows.

    Suppose a molecule has three possible states ("a", "b" and "c") with energies E_c, E_b, E_a respectively (E_c is the ground state and E_b is the between E_a and E_c ... thanks lameness filter ... less than signs could never be useful).

    Suppose further, microwave (maser) energy transitions are possible from state "b" to "c". Optical (laser) transitions are possible from "a" to "b".

    For lasing to occur, you must have a population inversion ... more molecules must be in one of the upper states than in the lower states. However, in a gas at thermal equilibrium, this is usually not the case ... the probabiliy of finding a given quantum state in state with energy E is proportional to exp(-E / kT ). Here, k is Boltmann's constant and T is the ambient temperature. At low temperatures, the ground state will be where most of the molecules are.

    If the hot exhaust gas is first passed through a maser cavity tuned to the "b"-"c" transition containing a radiation field at the temperature of the cold reservior, the "b" and "c" populations will quickly come to thermal equilibrium with the low temperature radiation field ... "b" molecules to preferentially transistion into the ground state (state "c"). However, the "a" population won't be able to come to equilbrium that fast (provided the spontaneous emission rate is sufficiently low and the maser cavity isn't tuned to enhance the transition rate out of "a" state). This net impact of the maser is to create a population inversion between the "a" and "b" states. By passing the non-thermal maser cooled gas into a laser cavity tuned to the "a"-"b" transition, this inversion can be extracted as laser energy. This is the quantum afterburner part.

    From a quantum standpoint, nothing is particularly new here. Using rapid cooling of a selective population to create inversion is pretty unique but nothing that can't be explained with the standard laser rate equations.

    From a purely statistical mechanics standpoint, the net effect is to extract extra useful work from internal degrees of freedom of the working fluid. Statistical mechanics is not my forte so I can't really say if this is particularly out there.

    From a practical standpoint, it might be hard to find gases at engine temperatures and gas pressures where the low spontaneous emission lifetimes necessary to sustain the inversion is possible. My intuition says that collisional de-excitation (high temp and pressures) would wipe out the inversion. Also, the exact scheme discussed in the paper is more complicated ... involving passing the gas back and forth through two pistons. I'm pretty sure that materials and a simplified engine design could be made to validate the claims though.

    As a thought experiment, though, this shows that it may be possible to improve the efficiency of an Otto engine. (By the way, the paper notes that a Carnot cycle efficiency doesn't get a boost from the technique.)

    Kevin

  4. Re:Adsorption refrigerator to cool intake charge. by wwwrench · · Score: 3, Interesting
    actually, this is kinda what is going on here and it is why the article is misleading.

    an ideal heat engine extracts work by operating between two heat baths of different temperature.

    the ideal efficiency of the engines is given in terms of the two temperatures of these heat baths.

    if the temperature difference is large, then the engine can extract more work. so one way of "improving" the "ideal efficiency" is to add a second heat bath of either very low temerature (a fridge) or very high temperature.

    to claim that this improves the amount of work that can be extracted is true, but to claim that this improves the efficiency above that of an ideal engine is crap because you are cheating by adding a third temperature bath.

    in the case of the quantum afterburner described in the article, the maser/laser acts as a zero temperature heat bath (sometimes called negentropy) which allows one to extract work from the exhaust. of course, in doing so, you use up the negentropy so it is acting more like a type of fuel.

    the article (both the nature one, and the original in Phys. Rev. Lett.) are interesting, but I wish physicists wouldn't try to sensationalize things just to make their results appear more interesting than they really are.

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