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Space Elevator May Become Reality

mojotek writes: "The NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts has a study(15Mb pdf) about the feasibility of a "Space Elevator" comprised of a 22,000 mile long cable built out of carbon nanotubes. In theory, it would be able to carry loads of 20 tons to space without using a single rocket engine. Sounded way too sci-fi for my taste at first, but this article at TechTV actually helped fill in the holes."

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  1. Meet George Jetson! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to dismiss the elevator out of hand, but wouldn't research into efficient space vehicle propulsion yield better long term results? While the engineering feat of building an elevator would certainly yield advances in science and technology, the elevator's limit would be its height. Non-tethered vehicles have no such limit.

    1. Re:Meet George Jetson! by mmontour · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to dismiss the elevator out of hand, but wouldn't research into efficient space vehicle propulsion yield better long term results?

      Not really, because the "efficient" propulsion systems probably won't be able to lift a rocket off the ground. E.g. the DS-1 ion engine, high efficiency but only about 0.1N of thrust - or nuclear engines that would be too dirty to run in the biosphere, but would work fine in interplanetary space.

      If a space elevator could be built, the cost of lifting payloads into space could drop dramatically, and that would create a lot more incentive for companies to develop these efficient space-only engines.

  2. Only 20 tons? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the weight to payload ratio sucks pretty hard. I imagine the up-front construction costs would be a lot higher than the cost of building rockets. So even if it's cheaper after, say, 10,000 uses, we might not see anyone wanting to build it.

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  3. Re:Where's the info on the counterweight? by RedWizzard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you don't need a counterweight. If the cable is long enough so that the center of mass is in geostationary orbit it will just hang there by itself.

  4. Re:Saving some cable... by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats a good idea, but... How do you purpose to keep the platform suspended? Is it hanging "off" the satelite? If so, won't its weight drag the satelite into a lower orbit, eventually destroying it? Or is the satelite going to be continuously firing retro-rockets, which would need enormous amounts of fuel, thereby negating the purpose of the elevator? Not to mention the wind blowing said platform around.

  5. Never happen by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People go nuts when you suggest building a new nuclear reactor. What do you think would happen if you tell them you're going to multiply the potential destructive consequences of that by many fold, and suspend it over their heads? And the potential for an accident pales in insignificance if you consider how attractive a target it would make for someone to take down on purpose. I'm as big a techno-freak as anyone (hey, bring on those nukes, we need the power), but this would worry even me.

  6. Re:Fire is DANGEROUS - STOP THE FIRE .... by Gaijinator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Basic probability states that something not happening for a while doesn't make it any more likely to happen in the future. Close only counts in horseshoes*.

    * (Well, it counts in a few other things, too)

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  7. How the fuck. . . by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful
    are we going to build that?


    No, really. While we're building a 22,000 mile long cable strong enough to hold 20 tons, where are we going to put it? It's probably too big to actually /store/ anywhere, and, even if we did, imagine trying to transport the sucker.


    We can't start stringing it off into space as we build it, because it'd keep tending to fall back towards earth until it were about. .. oh. . 22,000 miles long. (assuming they planned it so that 22,000 miles long would put its center of mass in a stationary orbit)


    And, once we've figured out all that, how do we get it /up/ there? Build a 22,000 mile high crane? Really, I'd think that the rocket we would use to get the other end of a space elevator up there would be a greater feat of engineering than the space elevator itself, and building it in sections would probably be an even greater feat of engineering.


    That said, it'd be a damn cool thing if we had it, and if a team ever succeeds in constructing one, I'll personally buy a beer for every member of the project.

    1. Re:How the fuck. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RTFM, dude. Or article, in this case.

      How does anyone transport big cables?? You roll them up. Stick your spindle in a shuttle, spit it out towards its proper orbit and you're all set.

      When you're in place, you tether it to a counterweight you've prepared earlier in a stable geosync orbit and roll it out. How do you keep the cable tip pointed towards Earth? I'll let you figure it out (hint: drop something from a tall building and see what happens).

      And you got modded "Insightful" for that?

  8. Re:Unfortunately, this is impossible by cheezehead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gimme a break. How do you prevent terrorists from suicide bombing the Space Shuttle? The Superbowl? Nuclear plants? The [fill in your favorite target]? It's all about security, and in the end, about acceptable risk. You can't completely eliminate all threats, just minimize them. Letting fear of a terrorist attack getting in the way of projects like this is letting the terrorists win.

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  9. Re:Where's the info on the counterweight? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Because the force of gravity drops off exponentially with altitude, the bottom is always heavier than the top and so you'll need to put more on top to get that center of gravity higher.

    It doesn't drop off exponentially, it drops off as the inverse square. This is an awful lot different from exponential. The universe would be much different if the force of gravity was proportional to e^(-r) ;)